Play and go rigged?

[riggdrasil]

Yesterday i lost 1350 euros on 1 euro bets on moon princess, reactoonz and book of dead.

150 on book of dead - no bonus round

100 - reactoonz - no gargatoon

1100 - moon princess - two bonus rounds that paid 22 and 36 euros.

There is bad luck and then there is play and go. Come on these kind of results are not normal? Never experienced anything like this at all. Its like the games didd not oay anything. Just dead spins non stop.

pretty sure if i continued it would have been no problem to lose 10-20-30k!!! It put me off gambling completley. This simply proves to me that it is rigged.

[Skylined87]

Certainly not rigged, but more being unlucky. Sometimes luck is on your side sometimes it's not, that's how gambling works.

[Nicola]

Play'n GO are completely fine, you were just unlucky in your game play.

It's also worth pointing out, that some casinos have a considerably lower RTP on Play'n GO slots as the operator can set the levels themselves. Always check the RTP percentage in the help menu and compare with other reputable casinos.

[Guest]

Moon Princess and Rise of Olympus can rip the absolute piss out of players for long periods of time so your loss there does not surprise me and is "normal" for this game at times

[dirtystack]

I played a lot of Reactoonz and Wild Falls the last week. Ripped over £1000 at £0.20 bets playing over 3 sites at the same time whilst taking part in an equalised win tournament. Not sure how many spins I did, estimating around 50 000. I couldn't track it with slot tracker, for more then the first couple of hours, as playing through Chrome caused the games to lag to and stall. PC issue. 

I came up with all kinds of conspiracy theories based on my experience and the observations of the scores other players were posting.

Garga showed up roughly once every 1000 spins. 

Got 15 pinks twice in total, 5 spins apart, just the 750x versions.

Wild falls gave me a  700x win and not much else.

 

[Slotspinner]

1 hour ago, ChromaIX said:

Play'n'Go is rigged to the bone, and they actively fix the outcome for the bigger streamers to attract more losers.

you also sell nuclear bombs in your backyard, prove me wrong!

[Guest]

On 21/03/2019 at 02:52, dirtystack said:

I played a lot of Reactoonz and Wild Falls the last week. Ripped over £1000 at £0.20 bets playing over 3 sites at the same time whilst taking part in an equalised win tournament. Not sure how many spins I did, estimating around 50 000. I couldn't track it with slot tracker, for more then the first couple of hours, as playing through Chrome caused the games to lag to and stall. PC issue. 

I came up with all kinds of conspiracy theories based on my experience and the observations of the scores other players were posting.

Garga showed up roughly once every 1000 spins. 

Got 15 pinks twice in total, 5 spins apart, just the 750x versions.

Wild falls gave me a  700x win and not much else.

 

it doesn't make any sense mate. Why did you bet 0.20 cents and continued playing the reactoonz and wildfalls for like a 1000euros? Honestly this is a bad, bad choice to make. Eventually when you see the slot cant pay nomore just leave it. 

[dirtystack]

13 hours ago, themajestic said:

it doesn't make any sense mate. Why did you bet 0.20 cents and continued playing the reactoonz and wildfalls for like a 1000euros? Honestly this is a bad, bad choice to make. Eventually when you see the slot cant pay nomore just leave it. 

Because of this tournament.

I was chasing a prize in that, the prizes in these tournaments add a lot of value and the fact I lost £1000 on the slot doesn't matter when you consider the added value.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, dirtystack said:

Because of this tournament.

I was chasing a prize in that, the prizes in these tournaments add a lot of value and the fact I lost £1000 on the slot doesn't matter when you consider the added value.

at least did you win any prize of those?

[dirtystack]

12 minutes ago, themajestic said:

at least did you win any prize of those?

Not this time.

 I got some lower irrelevant prizes, £50, £20, and £10

 

I guess I look at things differently then most as all i care about is the added value. Don't mind losing money in a tournament so long as the value is there long term. Working well for me since I started with slots around August last year.

 

Edited 3 April, 2019 by dirtystack

[TimSchaeffer]

ye i have to say i do think reactoonz might got a bit nerved since i still play it, but in like the last 20 garga's a 100x was the highest one, most of m were 50 / 60x and 2 of m even 40x. basegame didnt pay aswell so i have no idea what happened whatsoever xd

[Slotspinner]

10 hours ago, ChromaIX said:

Why should I? - I don't delete users profile images because I disagree. The fact proven by slot tracker software indicate this is the case. Take a study of Roshtein on Play'n'Go slots. Even the timing with hi-spectator peaks of viewers indicate this. Play'n'Go are also known to boost their new games for x time and then turn off the wins to an altimeter low. Play'n'Go actively "watch" the streams and change things according to it.

Trying to be funny with the nuclear bomb comment truly indicate you as an ignorant "follower". If you are old enough you'll remember what happened to all the poker-is-not-rigged crowd we had in the 00's and 10's. They are all silent today and their arguments almost killed the legitimate skill-factor of the game.

go take your evidence to Licensors then and prove them that playngo is rigged -> get them off the market.

Im waiting.

[SuperSmask]

Just really unlucky on Play n Go.. I haven't had a feature on Moon P on "Man P" for like 10-15 streams.. Garga is also missing 95% of the time. Nothing to do with rigged at all.

Edited 17 April, 2019 by SuperSmask

[MajorConcerns]

I find that it honestly depends. Sometimes I can bonus book of dead in 20 spins. The other day it took almost 200. Always set a bottom line on slots and stick to them. 

[Skylined87]

9 minutes ago, chiefemptybottle said:

My concerns are not if it's rigged, which it obviously are in terms of analyzing the data from both basegame and the bonuses.

What we observed are nothing new EXCEPT from the frequency of e.g explorer, golden-hat, dog and bird disappearing in the bonuses:

Explorer: Appear 1-4 at the same time in the basegame in 68% of the spins but less than 5% in the bonus when the hit icon are the explorer.
Slightly same pattern with the other premiums. The annoying part is that full-lines appear out of scope (less lines and no win lines often)

They simply disappear in the bonuses, which mean that Play'n'Go actively "manipulate" the randomness of the outcome. As most slots, bonuses are "pre-determined" by a generated X win (e.g 35x or 200x) and the rest is just for the show. If the slots was 100% random the Casino's would die. News? not at all - this is how slots work.

The latest statistics on 2+2 indicate that Play'n'Go does have a documented "Collect loses period" after someone hit a huge win. Which mean that the frequencies of larger wins are reduced down to an unknown number until they "can afford giving out huge wins". I don't think the streamers have an edge. They are just more visible than the anonymous crowd which also have huge winners .. like my wife
 

Usually slots have "bonus reels" in play when you play the bonus. Same applies to Danger! High Voltage for example and I'm pretty sure most of other slots too. The reels won't be identical those to base game play.

[Avidgambler]

It seems you just got unlucky. That obviously doesn't mean play and go slots would be rigged. I mean you had bad run no doubt, but your sample size/ number of rounds is so small that anything can happen really. If you keep playing enough long you will eventually hit even colder streaks. No garga for 1000 spins is easily possible etc.

Those mentioned bonuses on moon princess are maybe on the lower side but nothing too extraordinary either. When you are running cold and waiting long time for a bonus, it is easy to start thinking when it eventually comes that "it should pay big now".  However the game doesn't know or care how much you lost before the bonus or whether you waited 100 or 1000 spins for it. It just randomizes a win for you and then plays graphics for the randomed win. It can be 10x bonus win after 1000 rounds wait or 1000x bonus win on your first spin. Nothing rigged about it, just how slots work. 

[The Reel Story]

On 15/10/2019 at 19:30, chiefemptybottle said:

My concerns are not if it's rigged, which it obviously are in terms of analyzing the data from both basegame and the bonuses.

What we observed are nothing new EXCEPT from the frequency of e.g explorer, golden-hat, dog and bird disappearing in the bonuses:

Explorer: Appear 1-4 at the same time in the basegame in 68% of the spins but less than 5% in the bonus when the hit icon are the explorer.
Slightly same pattern with the other premiums. The annoying part is that full-lines appear out of scope (less lines and no win lines often)

They simply disappear in the bonuses, which mean that Play'n'Go actively "manipulate" the randomness of the outcome. As most slots, bonuses are "pre-determined" by a generated X win (e.g 35x or 200x) and the rest is just for the show. If the slots was 100% random the Casino's would die. News? not at all - this is how slots work.

The latest statistics on 2+2 indicate that Play'n'Go does have a documented "Collect loses period" after someone hit a huge win. Which mean that the frequencies of larger wins are reduced down to an unknown number until they "can afford giving out huge wins". I don't think the streamers have an edge. They are just more visible than the anonymous crowd which also have huge winners .. like my wife
 

As Skyline said, most games will switch up the reel sets when going in to a bonus. 

 

And bonuses are not 'pre-determined' in the way you state. They don't pick a x win and then show you a result that matches. The bonus reel sets are used, 10+ spins are made and you get the result. Often all 10 spins are played on the server up front (after you click spin) but that doesn't make it any less random. 

Your comment about 'if slots were 100% random, casinos would die' is just a misunderstanding of how slots work. Slots hare a mathematical model behind them that makes it so that, statistically, they will pay out less than 100%. This mathematical model is determined by the setup of the reels and the payouts. It ia still completely random what result occurs. 

As an example. If i flip a coin and pay you 1 for heads and 2 for tails, you will get a certain return. If i then change the payout to 0.5 for heads and 1 for tails, you can expect a lower return. The odds of getting heads or tails is still random and 50/50 in both scenarios though. 

As for the 'collect losses period'. No. Not the case. Not legal and probably not even possible. Slots already have the mathematical edge. No need to rig them. 

[Xxxxwildingxxxx]

On 07/02/2019 at 16:17, Skylined87 said:

Certainly not rigged, but more being unlucky. Sometimes luck is on your side sometimes it's not, that's how gambling works.

How do you explain hot and cold games and when you have experience of 12 years you can tell hot or cold games that's one fact, why! it may not be directly rigged . but when you load a game it can the game be on take back and I believe  every provider works differently so not all but in general  , fair! but you can load up a game and be destined  to lose is pretty wrong, programming slots to achieve there target for player and for casino in the long run, anyone who doesn't  understand  hot and cold games and can't  relate to me doesn't have enough experience, i think most people who has 12 years of slots behind  them would agree but you will always get the one who will say %&$##%%%###. ill say it's not directly rigged but I can have a good high percent when I know when I'm going to lose my money because the program will achieve its goal !

[masterDD]

No Garga in 1000 spins is possible, so does two consecutive Garga rounds. Both happened to me, so i think you are on the wrong side of the lucky train today. That's gambling brother.

[Xxxxwildingxxxx]

No one knows just we think we do

Edited 25 October, 2019 by Xxxxwildingxxxx
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[dirtystack]

On 07/02/2019 at 16:01, riggdrasil said:

Yesterday i lost 1350 euros on 1 euro bets on moon princess, reactoonz and book of dead.

150 on book of dead - no bonus round

100 - reactoonz - no gargatoon

1100 - moon princess - two bonus rounds that paid 22 and 36 euros.

There is bad luck and then there is play and go. Come on these kind of results are not normal? Never experienced anything like this at all. Its like the games didd not oay anything. Just dead spins non stop.

pretty sure if i continued it would have been no problem to lose 10-20-30k!!! It put me off gambling completley. This simply proves to me that it is rigged.

They are the same for me sometimes. I've gone multiple thousands of spins without a Garga many times. I've been playing the 500 Reactoonz spins tournaments on rizk about 7 times now - have always gotten either 1 or 0 Gargas and have been consistently running 40-60% Rtp. Best one over 500 spins was 128% rtp, second best was 101% Rtp.

Basically over 3500 spins I've had 4-5 Gargas and running overall at around 70% rtp.

Perfectly normal

Perfectly aggravating.

Prior to these 3500 spins I got a 1500x Garga.

[The Reel Story]

9 hours ago, chiefemptybottle said:

I was more or less "forced" to conclude this after the mess these video's made - Read the Jammin' Jars provider statement (when a bonus is hit, a X time win are determined). What happens thereafter as they say are all pre-determined: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc53rrmxz34

Jammin Jars is a slightly different case. It's more of a bag of results or a scratch card. So there is a pool of 1.2 million results and when you hit spin, it picks one of them and shows it to you. It's still a random game though, as those 1.2 million possible results average out to the stated RTP, and your chance of getting any one of them is 1 in 1.2 million.

For the majority of slots, the positions on the reels are what determine the outcome. Now, it is common that a game will determine all of the result up front (even the bonus round) as soon as you click the spin button. That's pretty standard practice actually (tho providers like BTG do hit the RNG for every single bonus spin). There is nothing wrong with this. Each spin is still the result of the reel positions generated by RNG for that spin.

You have to remember that, in almost all slots, a 'Spin' is defined as the point at you click the spin button to the point your total winnings are displayed and paid to you. This means 1 base spin and 50 free spins is all one 'spin'.

So in the coin flip example, if you were given 5 free spins on the coin, it would be like me doing 5 flips and recording a video of me doing them, then coming out and showing you the video. I still did 5 coin flips, they were still random, but the result was fully determined before you started watching.

Pre-determined does NOT mean rigged. Pre-determined results is absolutely fine, as long as it is done after you click spin, or, like Jammin Jars, it's a random selection from a pool of pre-generated results (although I hate Jammin Jars for this reason).

8 hours ago, Xxxxwildingxxxx said:

How do you explain hot and cold games and when you have experience of 12 years you can tell hot or cold games that's one fact, why! it may not be directly rigged . but when you load a game it can the game be on take back and I believe  every provider works differently so not all but in general  , fair! but you can load up a game and be destined  to lose is pretty wrong, programming slots to achieve there target for player and for casino in the long run, anyone who doesn't  understand  hot and cold games and can't  relate to me doesn't have enough experience, i think most people who has 12 years of slots behind  them would agree but you will always get the one who will say %&$##%%%###. ill say it's not directly rigged but I can have a good high percent when I know when I'm going to lose my money because the program will achieve its goal !

Slots simply aren't 'programmed' to achieve a target. They don't need to be. The maths does it for them through volume of play.

The simple fact is, you can't tell when a game is 'hot or cold'. You think you can, but you can't. If you could, you would be a millionaire because you would always win.

In a random set, it's very common to have 'hot' or 'cold' streaks within it. That is the nature of randomness.

[Shep]

All in know is play n go have sucked me dry this week 

[Xxxxwildingxxxx]

19 hours ago, The Reel Story said:

Jammin Jars is a slightly different case. It's more of a bag of results or a scratch card. So there is a pool of 1.2 million results and when you hit spin, it picks one of them and shows it to you. It's still a random game though, as those 1.2 million possible results average out to the stated RTP, and your chance of getting any one of them is 1 in 1.2 million.

For the majority of slots, the positions on the reels are what determine the outcome. Now, it is common that a game will determine all of the result up front (even the bonus round) as soon as you click the spin button. That's pretty standard practice actually (tho providers like BTG do hit the RNG for every single bonus spin). There is nothing wrong with this. Each spin is still the result of the reel positions generated by RNG for that spin.

You have to remember that, in almost all slots, a 'Spin' is defined as the point at you click the spin button to the point your total winnings are displayed and paid to you. This means 1 base spin and 50 free spins is all one 'spin'.

So in the coin flip example, if you were given 5 free spins on the coin, it would be like me doing 5 flips and recording a video of me doing them, then coming out and showing you the video. I still did 5 coin flips, they were still random, but the result was fully determined before you started watching.

Pre-determined does NOT mean rigged. Pre-determined results is absolutely fine, as long as it is done after you click spin, or, like Jammin Jars, it's a random selection from a pool of pre-generated results (although I hate Jammin Jars for this reason).

Slots simply aren't 'programmed' to achieve a target. They don't need to be. The maths does it for them through volume of play.

The simple fact is, you can't tell when a game is 'hot or cold'. You think you can, but you can't. If you could, you would be a millionaire because you would always win.

In a random set, it's very common to have 'hot' or 'cold' streaks within it. That is the nature of randomness.

You work for provider I think so I wouldn'take  you opinion for granted and all providers are different,  they dont rigg directly but bit hot and cold is real and any slot player who knows slots can feel this to, some would not think about it some think its random, I speak for my self and I can tell at times when the slots cold especially with random features example Ted and king Kong cash, slots do have memory they know when you have done your achievements on immortal romance 

[Xxxxwildingxxxx]

19 hours ago, The Reel Story said:

Jammin Jars is a slightly different case. It's more of a bag of results or a scratch card. So there is a pool of 1.2 million results and when you hit spin, it picks one of them and shows it to you. It's still a random game though, as those 1.2 million possible results average out to the stated RTP, and your chance of getting any one of them is 1 in 1.2 million.

For the majority of slots, the positions on the reels are what determine the outcome. Now, it is common that a game will determine all of the result up front (even the bonus round) as soon as you click the spin button. That's pretty standard practice actually (tho providers like BTG do hit the RNG for every single bonus spin). There is nothing wrong with this. Each spin is still the result of the reel positions generated by RNG for that spin.

You have to remember that, in almost all slots, a 'Spin' is defined as the point at you click the spin button to the point your total winnings are displayed and paid to you. This means 1 base spin and 50 free spins is all one 'spin'.

So in the coin flip example, if you were given 5 free spins on the coin, it would be like me doing 5 flips and recording a video of me doing them, then coming out and showing you the video. I still did 5 coin flips, they were still random, but the result was fully determined before you started watching.

Pre-determined does NOT mean rigged. Pre-determined results is absolutely fine, as long as it is done after you click spin, or, like Jammin Jars, it's a random selection from a pool of pre-generated results (although I hate Jammin Jars for this reason).

Slots simply aren't 'programmed' to achieve a target. They don't need to be. The maths does it for them through volume of play.

The simple fact is, you can't tell when a game is 'hot or cold'. You think you can, but you can't. If you could, you would be a millionaire because you would always win.

In a random set, it's very common to have 'hot' or 'cold' streaks within it. That is the nature of 

I give the benifit of the doubt when I play slots and trust it's not cold and ignore my inner instincts that's why, knowing hot and cold slots wouldn't make you a millionaire  dont over hype as it's afine line and difficult to sense, but if you able it will give you some edge back notva millionaire likev you say 

Anyway I say this as none fact I wouldn't be surprised to much if slots are random, all slots are random as of we know