RNG in Evolution Gaming Wheel Games

[terror_82]

These games got me really sceptical.

Crazy Time. So it's quite volatile game also in terms when the bonuses land. Math heads in Evo have probably calculated that's the most efficient way to earn money and get people addicted. There are 8 different symbols and 54 slots in the wheel.  Can any of you tell me how to make an RNG that makes them behave really volatile but still appearing about in right proportions in a long run? I'm referring to Tracksino.com where you can see the stats. I always seem to drop in the session where's 30 spins of no bonuses at all and then a short streak of same bonus like cash hunt appearing four times etc. I attached two pictures from the yesterday evening. Typical 30 spins no bonus cold streak and then they started to appear, then totally disappeared again, all of them.

It's also volatile in the payouts but still repeats same multipliers and bonuses. I've noticed last days it's been repeating 25x Cash Hunt bonus now and then. Why is it now 25x Cash Hunt? There's never been 50x Coin Flip in this game history or 25x Coin Flip for ages (I would see that more likely to appear) , but 25x Cash Hunt drops now every second day.

My analysis is that the RNG in the game is emphasizing certain numbers at certain period of time. I wouldn't ever think they were doing anything illegal. This has to be legal.

But it's still bullshit! Opinions?

[ryans_slots]

Would it be bullshit if you hit 50x crazytime which paid 10,000x for example and you managed to cashout £500,000+
No
I get it' seems rigged however it's just random clearly Evolution hire maths experts to create games with designers etc.

[terror_82]

Just now, ryans_slots said:

Would it be bullshit if you hit 50x crazytime which paid 10,000x for example and you managed to cashout £500,000+
No
I get it' seems rigged however it's just random clearly Evolution hire maths experts to create games with designers etc.

Yeah, I've got few decent wins there and it felt great, sure.

[Slotspinner]

Its an actual wheel with actual odds

[terror_82]

3 minutes ago, Slotspinner said:

Its an actual wheel with actual odds

What do you mean by that? It's RNG based slot with motorized wheel.

[Slotspinner]

1 minute ago, terror_82 said:

What do you mean by that? It's RNG based slot with motorized wheel.

No its not, how did you come up with that? its no motor/brakes whatsoever

[terror_82]

8 minutes ago, Slotspinner said:

No its not, how did you come up with that? its no motor/brakes whatsoever

Ask Evolution.

[Slotspinner]

1 minute ago, terror_82 said:

Ask Evolution.

I was in london when the game was premiered at ICE and Todd explained us the game, its an actual wheel? Where do you quote motorized slot RNG?

[terror_82]

5 minutes ago, Slotspinner said:

I was in london when the game was premiered at ICE and Todd explained us the game, its an actual wheel? Where do you quote motorized slot RNG?

But they didn't tell you it's also RNG based and motor controlled. If it was actually mechanic and "analog" without rng, hosts could affect where it lands as it's quite easy to roll it in the area where certain bonus is. In these games there's no room for people's emotions - I'm talking about hosts. They are there just for the entertainment, but it's computer and rng based as every other slot game. 

If you've ever played Mega Wheel by Pragmatic, you've probably seen that especially in the early stages of the game, the wheel used to speed up when host had spin it. It's exactly the same idea in all of these wheel games.

[Slotspinner]

Just now, terror_82 said:

But they didn't tell you it's also RNG based and motor controlled. If it was actually mechanic and "analog" without rng, hosts could affect where it lands as it's quite easy to roll it in the area where certain bonus is. In these games there's no room for people's emotions - I'm talking about hosts. They are there just for the entertainment, but it's computer and rng based as every other slot game. 

If you've ever played Mega Wheel by Pragmatic, you've probably seen that especially in the early stages of the game, the wheel used to speed up when host had spin it. It's exactly the same idea in all of these wheel games.

Where do you quote this information from 

[Mwright1712]

I'm sure one of the streamers can get evolution to confirm this or explain the wheel mechanics, would be good to hear their own quote instead of speculation 🙂

[dirtystack]

51 minutes ago, terror_82 said:

But they didn't tell you it's also RNG based and motor controlled. If it was actually mechanic and "analog" without rng, hosts could affect where it lands as it's quite easy to roll it in the area where certain bonus is. In these games there's no room for people's emotions - I'm talking about hosts. They are there just for the entertainment, but it's computer and rng based as every other slot game. 

If you've ever played Mega Wheel by Pragmatic, you've probably seen that especially in the early stages of the game, the wheel used to speed up when host had spin it. It's exactly the same idea in all of these wheel games.

 

Now this is the main wheel that is spun by the host which I am talking about, the Big Crazytime wheel is obviously spun in a different manner.

You are saying this as someone who has no idea and who has never worked in a casino. If you had worked in a casino and had spun a big wheel you would know that it is not possible for the host to spin a particular number, segment, section considering you have to spin it hard enough that it goes a minimum amount of revolutions.

I've worked in a casino for 20 years with such things and even the staff who are adamant that they can spin a particular number, segment, section are actually full of the same silly ideas as the players. I've put staff to test, I've promised them holidays, bet them money along the lines of - if you can spin consistently a particular region I will give you £500/ if you fail you give me £5 - I've never lost money with this. Part of my job is to compile the winning number frequencies on various games each month, it is random over time - if you look at a particular day it doesn't seem random but when you look at it over a month it all averages out.

When I used to be a dealer I was always trying to control the wheel because I figured if I could then I could get my friends playing and cash in - it doesn't work- due to the randomness it occasionally seems to be working, it will go as you want it to now and then, but you are just observing a random event and making your own conclusions.

If you really think something is up, go and work in the industry and you will see for yourself.

You can't say that it is "quite easy" when you have no clue as to how easy it is or not. This is what I hate; someone completely clueless stating, as if its factual, something that they have no clue about or experience with. Trying to convince people in this manner is fucking dumb, you completely discredit everything you say and everything you are trying to convey.

 

[bolidenplan]

Agree on the streaks.  How can a random wheel be as streaking as this

[Stevej]

It's a motor. Hosts could make money from the game if it was analog.

There used to be huge wheel in our land based casino in Helsinki. It was difficult to spin to a certain area, but not impossible. It was also much bigger than Crazy Time wheel. CT wheel is not that huge when comparing to the host.

[dirtystack]

There he is lol.

[terror_82]

On 10/01/2021 at 15:28, Slotspinner said:

Where do you quote this information from 

I've always thought it's rng, cause it seemed so obvious to me and remembered their CEO saying like that in some interview. Maybe he meant the Crazy Time bonus wheel (the animated one). I'm still surprised people thinking it's mechanic wheel without any computer based RNG system. I wouldn't see that so negative thing even if it was like that.

However I'd still like to ask you

1) Don't you ever think it's bit weird that all these big wins happen in times of low amount of players? Haven't you ever questioned that thing? Crazy Time has about 5000 players in the evening sessions in European Time.

In one week frame three latest big wins: January 11 2021 at 03:46 UTC Cash Hunt 2500x (1136 winners), January 10 2021 at 03:44 UTC Cash Hunt 2500x (1018 winners), January 13 2021 at 07:43 UTC Cash Hunt 2000x (812 winners)... I know the list continues, unluckily we can't see rest of the results.

In one month frame the biggest win: January 6 2021 at 07:39 UTC Cash Hunt 12500x (573 winners)

2) Crazy Time is kind of a successor of Monopoly which used to pay quite good. But all the massive wins have disappeared after Crazy Time was released (about 7-8 months ago). Haven't you ever thought it's bit weird?

In one month frame the biggest win in Monopoly: January 12 2021 at 16:45 UTC 593X (1300 winners)

 

[Slotspinner]

Just like i thought. Please refrain from stating your opinions as facts, its not a good thing to do

And FYI:

Its not RNG based. Its an actual wheel that actually spins in the sections and an actual pachinko ball and an actual coin that flips to determine wins

[RJ-]

I have played a lot of this game, i mean a lot. Yes it is motorized, there is no question, they do not even hide it. 
I guess they give out 20/25x Cash hunt more often since they can control the winnings better, as they decide what cells get high multipliers and lower multipliers, where a 20/25x pachinco or Coin Flip will be for ALL player same high multiplier. Everyone of the 4 bonus games has a capability to be controlled, which is the case. 

This however doesnt mean it is rigged, the RTP matches the design and in my case i am far up in money in I guess 5000-10000 spins of 40-80 Euro bets.
This is my opinion. I also do not agree with the fact that the big wins happen when few people are playing (night time). As I personally always had the feeling more bonus land when 4000-5000 were playing.  750x coinflip, 5000x, pachinco all happened in the European afternoon with 2500 players or so. 

Your statement on Monopoly Live, they lowered the RTP of the game after introduction of Crazy Time. I guess they can just tweak the RNG for bonus game. 
  

[Slotspinner]

Official statements are that its not motorized, so unless you have factual proof please also refrain from stating your (probably wrong) opinions as facts. @RJ-

[RJ-]

Where can I read the official statements? Can anybody link these, I am interested, what Evolution Gamings description is of not motorized, maybe because a real life host spins the wheels it is not considered motorized. Would be interesting to read into. 

I have also seen that hosts are often looking at a screen or anything when they release the spin, sometimes adding 0 power to the spin and sometimes they panicly give it a 2th push after they have released it. Almost as if they are trying to match the speed of the wheel with something. 

[Slotspinner]

4 minutes ago, RJ- said:

I have also seen that hosts are often looking at a screen or anything when they release the spin, sometimes adding 0 power to the spin and sometimes they panicly give it a 2th push after they have released it. Almost as if they are trying to match the speed of the wheel with something. 

to eliminate hosts aiming the wheel, an monitor tells them the timeframe to let go and spin soft/medium/hard which is controlled by RNG. (this is what i heard, i believe this is how it works)|

Due to that, a host never gets to choose how to spin, making the spin sequence random aswell

[RJ-]

Thanks, an interesting fact that clarifies the question!

But then I disagree on your statement it is not RNG based, but just a wheel with numbers and bonus segments. 

An interesting topic it will always be, Money Wheels. 

[Slotspinner]

13 minutes ago, RJ- said:

Thanks, an interesting fact that clarifies the question!

But then I disagree on your statement it is not RNG based, but just a wheel with numbers and bonus segments. 

An interesting topic it will always be, Money Wheels. 

the way of spinning is RNG, the wheel outcome is not determined by an RNG but by physical spinning (which is randomized yea, but thats not the same)

[terror_82]

1 hour ago, Slotspinner said:

to eliminate hosts aiming the wheel, an monitor tells them the timeframe to let go and spin soft/medium/hard which is controlled by RNG. (this is what i heard, i believe this is how it works)|

Due to that, a host never gets to choose how to spin, making the spin sequence random aswell

Interesting. Where did get that info? I believe that only matches the thing that motor can make the spin look like as smooth as possible (RNG decided it to land certain number and it doesn't have to make huge breaking/boost whatever when host gave it a right speed).

I've played this game a lot as well. There are certain moments in the game you definitely see the motor keeps rolling the wheel on and on.

You've probably also seen these videos of infinitely rolling wheel without slowing down at all. Even though there wouldn't be any resistance of the flapper, it would slow down.

And yeah, there's no statement from @Evolution Gaming Officialthat is NOT motor, right?

[Ash W]

It would be interesting to see the background to the setup of the wheel. 
 

RNG would be difficult to pull off especially as spin speeds vary and you’d notice unrealistic braking or flow of the wheel to land perfectly where they it to. They already have quite an edge on most of the board being 1 or 2s and probability of landing those without RNG will be higher then bonus rounds. 
 

Just my opinion 😆