Evolution Gaming - against the odds

[Stevej]

I'm writing this topic mostly for myself to avoid these games. It would be nice to hear your thoughts as well.

I love stats. You can find the stats of Evolution's wheel games at https://CasinoScores.com However it doesn't show all the stats and doesn't really tell everything.

Like yesterday there was 57 spins without a bonus in Crazy Time. Chance of hitting a bonus in this game is 1/6. So calculating the odds of not getting bonus on 57 spins is 5/6^57 = 1/32572. In this game I see 40-50 spins without a bonus all the time. In my opinion they do this to maximize to collect the money to the house. They've changed to be more volatile as it would in real life. In other words, it's controlled.

I made a little rng simulator to demonstrate visually how difficult that scenario is. Refreshing page simulates new 100 spins (10 per colums, 10 per rows). The website only simulates the results in "the analog wheel". Of course digital rng is different than a real wheel, but theoretically it shouldn't be that different.

http://crazyrng.infinityfreeapp.com

I like the concept of the game but it's not fair for the players. Same things happens in all of their wheel games. @Evolution Gaming Official Could they finally reveal everybody how it really works?

 

[thefan]

I believe you are wrong. It makes no sense for them to cheat in this game. However i must say that a game like that is meant to be really volatile. It will have huge losing and winning streaks, that is also why it is so addictive to most people. You will never know when you hit the bonus round and if it is going to pay 2x or 20000x . The payout percentage of the game is 95.95%% so the house wins in the long run always, so no point in turning the odds more in their favour. The bonus rounds are predetermined to a degree.

Evolutiong gets their revenus from casinos that run their games, the revenue is not directly from the players that lose in their games.

 

 

 

 

Edited 17 April, 2021 by thefan

[Stevej]

13 minutes ago, thefan said:

I believe you are wrong. It makes no sense for them to cheat in this game. However i must say that a game like that is meant to be really volatile. It will have huge losing and winning streaks, that is also why it is so addictive to most people. You will never know when you hit the bonus round and if it is going to pay 2x or 20000x . The payout percentage of the game is 95.95%% so the house wins in the long run always, so no point in turning the odds more in their favour. The bonus rounds are predetermined to a degree.

Evolutiong gets their revenus from casinos that run their games, the revenue is not directly from the players that lose in their games.

 

 

 

 

People often don't realise that rigging the game has many benefits. The reason is not that they would win anyway so no sense for rigging. The real reasons are:

1) Making people to deposit and play more money

2) Making people more addictive in the game

3) Make people think that the bonus / big win must hit soon

They can also multiply their winnings if they avoid certain situations like paying big wins when 9000 players actively playing the game. But of course they are not stupid and give bigger hits now and then when there's more people around.

It's not analog wheel they can control the winning ratio/rtp's if they decide.

[mrcledos]

Evolution Gaming is a Swedish company. Why on earth did they build the studio in Latvia?

I hope this piece of shit will be banned in our country.

[Igor96]

Lol evolution is such a scam. On crazy time you can see the wheel multiple times using breaks to void some bonus and then no breaks at all. I remember few times i played it I would go 10 all the time then one time i did not and 10 came up. I would go on all bonuses but not coin flip, guess what bonus comes? Its so rigged but ofc we all know that.

 

What i dont understand is the roulette. Is amazing. Is like they know and the areas without my numbers would always come in when I play.

 

Its a f scam but we keep giving this a$$holes €

[terror_82]

Evolution destroyed this game's rtp totally like then eventually have done all of their games. Like Monopoly hasn't really given any huge wins in one year after Crazy Time was released. Now recently they've dropped Crazy Time RTP and nobody really wins there anymore. It was a totally different game 6 months ago. But it doesn't surprise me at all because that's how all these games/slots etc work. Easy answer, as always is telling it's just _volatility_.

[Slotspinner]

50x crazy time is 1:100,000 , yet happened not just once

must be rigged in favor of the players

Oh yea, there was 7x7x7x 40 on dreamcatcher, something like 1:8,5M 
RIGGED

[terror_82]

Yes. Checking Tracksino. 50x ct at least two times, 50x ch few times, 25x ch super many times, 50x pachinco once, 50x cf maybe two-three times??... Does anyone have these stats?

Crazy Time was released 10th of June 2020. Last one month period it's been spinning 42477 rounds (now this specific moment when I check it). So it's about 400000-500000 spins to-date.

Everybody knows it's pre-determined and Evolution knows it, but they don't care. I've won massive wins there as well, but I wanna play a game that is about pure luck and not just some pre-determined shit.

I'm waiting for the day the shit hits the fan and there will be new laws.

[The Macho Man]

They even claim themselves crazytime is basically a slot machine. I believe its pre-determined, mainly the payout part. 

My guess is the actual wheel itself isn't controlled. The only controlled thing is the top slot and they have a way to calculate where the flapper will land in the round (not always 100% accurate). 

One thing I noticed is crazytime usually goes into collect mode throughout the weekday. You won't see any massive wins throughout the week (cash hunt doesn't count as major wins because only like 20 people out of thousands get the top prize, but boy does it look good if you're browsing tracksino and see a 2500x! it's usually to fool people into thinking the game pays all the time). But once the weekend hits crazytime will usually throw in a big win (lately i noticed the big wins come towards the end of the weekend). 

My guess for why they do this is because they want the most eyes on the big wins, its the weekend and paying big when everyones playing keeps everyone excited to keep coming back. (Although I will say, some of the biggests wins usually happen when there are less than 1,500 people playing during the weekend. I'm guessing the RTP calculates the big payout and determines the best way to pay it out. If evolution wants an exciting win they might give a 25x crazytime to 1,000 people with a 5000x win. Or if they just want to pay out the RTP to as many people as possible they hit a 700x pachinko to 3,500 people on a sunday afternoon). 

So the payout is definitely controlled. Which is why you rarely ever see massive wins back to back. There's always a 'cooling off' period after a big win where the game just goes into collect mode for awhile. 

 

Edited 27 April, 2021 by The Macho Man

[sirbuzzk]

On 17/04/2021 at 18:50, mrcledos said:

Evolution Gaming is a Swedish company. Why on earth did they build the studio in Latvia?

I hope this piece of shit will be banned in our country.

I assume with this statement you buy only "Made in Sweden" products from all Swedish companies? Because why on earth would any Swedish company move their production to e.x China...? 

As all serious game providers Evolution is regulated on several levels to ensure fair play/correct RTP. 

[terror_82]

There's so much corruption happening all around the world every day. When considering all the videos/screenshots/complaints people have sent about these games, it's absolutely sure there's something fishy happening. It's not just coincidence that one and only provider gets so much shit. I've read million shit stories about Evolution Gaming, but of course there are always few active streamers defending bravely cause it's part their business.

 

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One thing I noticed is crazytime usually goes into collect mode throughout the weekday. You won't see any massive wins throughout the week (cash hunt doesn't count as major wins because only like 20 people out of thousands get the top prize, but boy does it look good if you're browsing tracksino and see a 2500x! it's usually to fool people into thinking the game pays all the time). But once the weekend hits crazytime will usually throw in a big win (lately i noticed the big wins come towards the end of the weekend). 

 

I've noticed exactly the same thing. Now it's been collecting weekdays paying one, two bigger wins on weekends for keeping the interest but still sucking out as much money as possible. It behaves exactly the way you would believe it behaves when there's people behind thinking the strategies when it should pay/collect. They change the strategy now and then.

The funny detail is if you check the stats from Tracksino in the last 24 hours.

- Set filters in number 10 and you see there's hardly any multipliers on number 10 even the wheel has four of them. -> Too many people play number 10 so it's too expensive to pay

- Set filters in cash hunt and you see many multipliers every day although there are only two cash hunts on the wheel. That's because it's beneficial for the game. People want to have bonus with multis but in Cash Hunt only few people win big. -> Pay as less as possible and get people excited

- Set filters in Crazy Time. Same thing. Multipliers every day although there's only one CT on the wheel. Only few people win big. Always one 300x-500x per day. -> Pay as less as possible and get people excited

- Pachinco has stopped long time ago. Maybe one 500x in a month, but the odds are ridicilous. It's not good bonus for the provider since everybody wins the same amount. -> Collect money

Another funny detail. Tracksino (read: Evolution) released this:

https://tracksino.com/news/does-time-affect-crazy-time

They wanna tell players that time doesn't affect the winnings (so probably they're reading the forums). In that article they go through precisely how different bonuses happen in all times evenly. But when it comes to the big wins, no precise data at all.

Crazy Time Large Wins

We also looked at data where wins were only over 999x (including top cash hunt and crazy time bonuses) to see if there was any pattern related to when they arrived. This was a much lower amount of samples (248 spins) so the data was a lot more volatile. Here is the data:

Sunday: 40 Results
Monday: 34 Results
Tuesday: 30 Results
Wednesday: 38 Results
Thursday: 29 Results
Friday: 35 Results
Saturday: 42 Results

 

So my question would be what's the amount of players in the extremely big wins compared to the average number of players in the game?

What about the top slot multiplier appearance ratio when comparing different symbols in the wheel? 

@Evolution Gaming Official

Edited 28 April, 2021 by terror_82

[terror_82]

16 hours ago, sirbuzzk said:

I assume with this statement you buy only "Made in Sweden" products from all Swedish companies? Because why on earth would any Swedish company move their production to e.x China...? 

As all serious game providers Evolution is regulated on several levels to ensure fair play/correct RTP. 

All the serious game providers are regulated in the perfect world, but not in our world. Wake up.

[terror_82]

I added two images from yesterday evening (lots of players) and this morning (less players) of all the Pachinco bonuses.

You clearly see that when there are not that many players, bonuses are slightly better. I believe there's some kind of algorithm that gives better chances of getting higher bonuses in times when lower amount of players. Of course they've done it the way it's not that obvious, but when you repeat this every day, it means millions of euros more cash for them.

[jahoo]

1 hour ago, terror_82 said:

I believe there's some kind of algorithm that gives better chances of getting higher bonuses in times when lower amount of players.

That will give those playing off peak hours an edge, something I highly doubt.

[The Macho Man]

 

1 hour ago, jahoo said:

That will give those playing off peak hours an edge, something I highly doubt.

 

Well this wont prove anything, but just off my own experiences and watching how it plays. I've hit 3 major wins recently. 5000X at $2.50, 700x at $15. And 2500x at $7.50. 

All during times I thought it would pay out and it did. Sometimes I'm a day off, but I've been pretty consistent when timing some massive wins and that doesn't include anything I won around 200-500x. 

Of course im not saying I can predict anything and ill always win, but I've noticed certain patterns and if you play it enough or watch the stats you can see for yourself how it plays a lot like a slot machine. You just gotta know when to jump in to time that RTP payout. 

[jahoo]

2 hours ago, The Macho Man said:

Well this wont prove anything, but just off my own experiences and watching how it plays. I've hit 3 major wins recently. 5000X at $2.50, 700x at $15. And 2500x at $7.50. 

 

I believe more in regulators than your tiny, very subjective observations. Serious casino providers and regulators had discovered this long time ago and evolution gaming would be history. Why would they cheat? They are not the one loosing money if players are winning.

[terror_82]

11 minutes ago, jahoo said:

Why would they cheat? They are not the one loosing money if players are winning.

Answer is simple. Because they get more money. Millions and millions.

[jahoo]

14 minutes ago, terror_82 said:

Answer is simple. Because they get more money. Millions and millions.

So you just assume that all casinoproviders are in on it and is paying Evoultion gaming to cheat under the table?

Sorry, I find it hard to believe. Many of these companies have been around for decades and will ofcourse not agree to such a thing. You would have had whistleblowers everywhere, especially from new casinoes that would be eager to get rid of their established competitors.

[terror_82]

1 hour ago, jahoo said:

So you just assume that all casinoproviders are in on it and is paying Evoultion gaming to cheat under the table?

Sorry, I find it hard to believe. Many of these companies have been around for decades and will ofcourse not agree to such a thing. You would have had whistleblowers everywhere, especially from new casinoes that would be eager to get rid of their established competitors.

You obviously have no idea how this works.

Game providers and casinos have nothing common. Casinos don't care what game providers do. Casinos care about how much people play games of a certain provider and how much money that provider brings to them. Evolution is the hottest provider at the moment. Nobody knows what's happening behind the scenes.

[dirtystack]

[Stevej]

Again this @dirtystack idiot joining here to spam without any real clever comments.

I think it's quite interesting topic, and most of us are probably the A-class customers for casinos. I'd like to hear some comments from @Evolution Gaming Official. They haven't commented anything here. Could they tell more details about these wheel games, how they work etc? When is the open doors -day in Latvian studio?

[jahoo]

1 hour ago, Stevej said:

I think it's quite interesting topic

It,'s just another conspiracy that doesnt make sense. 

To many people would have to be involved and to many multibillion companies will fail if just one of those people talked.

[Stevej]

1 hour ago, jahoo said:

It,'s just another conspiracy that doesnt make sense. 

To many people would have to be involved and to many multibillion companies will fail if just one of those people talked.

Think about Putin's palace. Many many years they built a fucking massive palace somewhere and it was kept quiet from the rest of the world until one guy revealed it. How is it possible?

I've said this before but I think they're not doing anything illegal, but the game is rigged in terms that the wheel is not working as people expects. It's not freely spinning wheel. Gambling laws allow to create these kind of games. If they could prove that I'm wrong, that would be fine as well, and I might consider playing these games again. But I'm sure they won't.

Until that I can simulate i.e. millions of spins with a little javascript code like this one I made http://crazyrng.infinityfreeapp.com/ and trust these results.

[terror_82]

Same thing again today. A strong Pachinco bonus streak during the quiet hours in the morning time, and also another time reference from the evening hours today. Check it yourself. This is happening literally every day.

They don't care who wins and when or how much, but that technique brings most of the money to them.

[FckrTardio]

1 hour ago, Stevej said:

Think about Putin's palace. Many many years they built a fucking massive palace somewhere and it was kept quiet from the rest of the world until one guy revealed it. How is it possible?

I've said this before but I think they're not doing anything illegal, but the game is rigged in terms that the wheel is not working as people expects. It's not freely spinning wheel. Gambling laws allow to create these kind of games. If they could prove that I'm wrong, that would be fine as well, and I might consider playing these games again. But I'm sure they won't.

Until that I can simulate i.e. millions of spins with a little javascript code like this one I made http://crazyrng.infinityfreeapp.com/ and trust these results.

perkele, i should give up vodka and have whatever you have because your tinfoil hat is more shiny than the fake sun in ad astra, interstellar, life, stowaway, gravity and 2001 space oddyset combined. what they have in common, sataana? sci fi. and much tinfoil. btw u cant simulate shit because ur java sucks.

ok, u are saying wheel is not working as expected. heres news for you, steve. it is a gambling game. you are expected to loss. if u cant handle loss u should go to sauna and chill. and evolution will not touch comments in this forum thread with a stick even. because it is ecco chamber for the aluminum foil producers.

and in russia mate. anything possible. its putin. but u dont live close to russia border so i know you know nothing what russia know