RNG in Evolution Gaming Wheel Games

[Slotspinner]

Just now, Nelan said:

@Slotspinner It‘s obv Not Crazy Time Bit if Monopoly is motorized would you say that CT is aswell?

 

 

The flapper is broken and not providing any resistance, this video was shown hundreds of times in different discussions - like Dirtystack explained the wheel is very heavy (300kg i think) on a bearing, if you spin that without a flapper resisting it , it will spin very very long like you see in the clip.

[Nelan]

1 minute ago, Slotspinner said:

The flapper is broken and not providing any resistance, this video was shown hundreds of times in different discussions - like Dirtystack explained the wheel is very heavy (300kg i think) on a bearing, if you spin that without a flapper resisting it , it will spin very very long like you see in the clip.

🤔 Ok, nvm then. It looks hella suspicious tho. 🙈

[dirtystack]

35 minutes ago, terror_82 said:

But I would also be fair and smart and before every session I would go through the wheel, show behind it and the room and answer people if they're asking how it works.

And they would say the video is prerecord, that you swap the wheel, that it is motorized, that it is rigged, that the RNG is biased to make people lose and god forbid someone wins big when there are fewer players.

 

[terror_82]

11 minutes ago, dirtystack said:

And they would say the video is prerecord, that you swap the wheel, that it is motorized, that it is rigged, that the RNG is biased to make people lose and god forbid someone wins big when there are fewer players.

 

I don't think so. During the live show, now and then, you could show the game and the wheel to new players in live stream.

[The Macho Man]

I came on here just to post about this! I played CrazyTime everyday for like the past month. I spent a lot of time looking at this wheel. CURRENTLY I believe it's 50/50 the wheel could be motorized. If it is motorized they perfected what the wheel USED to look like...

I was on youtube just now watching a video of streamers playing the game back in Aug. Which was around the time the game was still new. Now watch this video and TELL ME this wheel isn't motorized. 

Go compare the way this wheel acts to the one they use now. The wheel in this video is so 'off' and motorized it's comical. Go in the middle of this video when they start hitting crazytimes and back to back bonuses. Watch some of those crazytime hits. THE WHEEL RIGHT NOW WOULD NEVER ACT LIKE THAT. In this video the wheel is spinning mach 5 and then drastically slows down to hit bonuses that never would hit in the wheel they use today. Also look how easily the hosts spin that wheel compared to the wheel they spin now. Back then the hosts barely touched the wheel and its going super fast and stopping on a dime. These days the hosts really have to put some effort into getting the thing up to speed.

I think the wheel used to be motorized back then, and why not, they want to control the winnings to show everyone how amazing their new game is and give everyone lots of bonuses. Along the way I think they either replaced the wheel with a real one, or they perfected their motorized wheel to look like the real thing.

My guess is they replaced it with a real wheel but control the payouts on the backend. Only dropping big wins when they want. 

I think anyone whos played crazytime now vs seeing a video like the one above will notice a HUGE difference and it's plain to see the wheel was motorized back then, who knows if it still is today.

 

 

[terror_82]

1 hour ago, The Macho Man said:

I came on here just to post about this! I played CrazyTime everyday for like the past month. I spent a lot of time looking at this wheel. CURRENTLY I believe it's 50/50 the wheel could be motorized. If it is motorized they perfected what the wheel USED to look like...

I was on youtube just now watching a video of streamers playing the game back in Aug. Which was around the time the game was still new. Now watch this video and TELL ME this wheel isn't motorized. 

Go compare the way this wheel acts to the one they use now. The wheel in this video is so 'off' and motorized it's comical. Go in the middle of this video when they start hitting crazytimes and back to back bonuses. Watch some of those crazytime hits. THE WHEEL RIGHT NOW WOULD NEVER ACT LIKE THAT. In this video the wheel is spinning mach 5 and then drastically slows down to hit bonuses that never would hit in the wheel they use today. Also look how easily the hosts spin that wheel compared to the wheel they spin now. Back then the hosts barely touched the wheel and its going super fast and stopping on a dime. These days the hosts really have to put some effort into getting the thing up to speed.

I think the wheel used to be motorized back then, and why not, they want to control the winnings to show everyone how amazing their new game is and give everyone lots of bonuses. Along the way I think they either replaced the wheel with a real one, or they perfected their motorized wheel to look like the real thing.

My guess is they replaced it with a real wheel but control the payouts on the backend. Only dropping big wins when they want. 

I think anyone whos played crazytime now vs seeing a video like the one above will notice a HUGE difference and it's plain to see the wheel was motorized back then, who knows if it still is today.

 

 

I quickly watched that video and not sure if I noticed that much difference compared to the current behaviour of the wheel.

However I've also played this game a lot since it was released and I've seen few spins that underlines the fact it is motorized.

Take a look at that video 0:25-> Repeat it few times. That is what we call the break!

https://tracksino.com/w/cdHphY2pftm8

I'm not still saying it's illegal/rigged/scam. "It is what it is!"

[Ash W]

Has anyone thought maybe the flapper provides a lot of resistance?

The flapper gets spun constantly and has been seen to get loose from being spun...the computer in addition "if" motorised would surely need to compensate for that dynamic. The flapper has a fairly long run between being replaced so it has to be fairly durable and strong.

Motors...I think your shooting in the wrong direction. 😆

[The Macho Man]

3 minutes ago, terror_82 said:

I quickly watched that video and maybe didn't notice that much difference in the current behaviour of the wheel. However, the reason I wrote about this, I've played this game also since it was released and I've seen few spins that underlines the fact it is motorized.

Take a look at that video 0:25-> Repeat it few times. That is what we call the break!

https://tracksino.com/w/cdHphY2pftm8

I'm not still saying it's illegal/rigged/scam. "It is what it is!"

Yea that's pretty much what I was trying to highlight but your video does it better. I dont know maybe its my new laptop im using with an upgraded screen than my previous, but some of these playbacks look like they've been sped up when you watch them, but nope its just that motorized wheel. 

[terror_82]

7 minutes ago, arw5533 said:

Has anyone thought maybe the flapper provides a lot of resistance?

The flapper gets spun constantly and has been seen to get loose from being spun...the computer in addition "if" motorised would surely need to compensate for that dynamic. The flapper has a fairly long run between being replaced so it has to be fairly durable and strong.

Motors...I think your shooting in the wrong direction. 😆

Flapper adds resistance and the resistance changes in a long run for sure. But it can't speed up the wheel or break the wheel all suddenly during the spin.

[The Macho Man]

3 minutes ago, arw5533 said:

Has anyone thought maybe the flapper provides a lot of resistance?

The flapper gets spun constantly and has been seen to get loose from being spun...the computer in addition "if" motorised would surely need to compensate for that dynamic. The flapper has a fairly long run between being replaced so it has to be fairly durable and strong.

Motors...I think your shooting in the wrong direction. 😆

flapper would make more sense since it's not as hard to control/build as a wheel, but I dont know how accurate they can control with it without making it obvious which is why a motor in the wheel would make more sense there. 

However like someone posted before with monopoly, the flapper broke and the wheel was spinning forever, So maybe they do it by controlling the resistance on the flapper.

They definitely control the multipliers and if it ain't motorized or flapper controlled, they definitely use some kind of spin predicter to give out those big multipliers at the right time when the computer thinks the chances of hitting a spot on the board is likely to occur. One way to spot this is sometimes you'll see a big multiplier hit on the top slot and the hosts spins close to it, the computer prediction was slightly off and then the next round you'll sometimes see a similar multiplier for the same game. 

Saw this happen twice tonight with cash hunt i think it was. 20x cash hunt missed by 1, next spin it tried to hit it again then missed. It tried again with like a 7x and missed barely. Then I think it reset and moved on since it couldn't hit it. 

 

 

[Ash W]

Why can't people just enjoy the game 😆. 

So much easier then chasing conspiracy theories...I know if I don't agree with something I certainly never played it.

[RJ-]

29 minutes ago, terror_82 said:

I quickly watched that video and not sure if I noticed that much difference compared to the current behaviour of the wheel.

However I've also played this game a lot since it was released and I've seen few spins that underlines the fact it is motorized.

Take a look at that video 0:25-> Repeat it few times. That is what we call the break!

https://tracksino.com/w/cdHphY2pftm8

I'm not still saying it's illegal/rigged/scam. "It is what it is!"

Haha I played this round when I saw Cash Hunt, I thought, a shit there is no way this is going waaaay to fast and then suddenly It braked like crazy as they wanted to release this win! Interesting to see it back

[terror_82]

1 minute ago, arw5533 said:

Why can't people just enjoy the game 😆. 

So much easier then chasing conspiracy theories...I know if I don't agree with something I certainly never played it.

Yes, exactly. You nailed that. I actually enjoy that game and won there many times. My original question was about the rng in crazy time, cause I've always thought it's a motorized wheel and wanted know more about it. Then people though that I mean it's rigged, but that's not what I meant. For me it's "a live slot."

[The Macho Man]

One thing I wanted to mention that's kind of along the 'rigged/controlled' argument.

The hosts of crazytime on multiple occasions refer to the game like a slot machine with RTP. Crazytime apparently does have an RTP. now, if they keep saying crazytime is like a slot, then it has to be controlled in some way right?

If someone figured out the math what are the odds that say... the top slot on tophits something like crazytime x 5 and lands the 1 out of 54 spots on the wheel to make that a reality.

What are the odds the top slot rolls crazytime x 5. It's 1 in 8 that the top slot hits crazy time. Now what are the chances it hits 5x. 1 in 10. now that's just the chances of it hitting and NOT missing. I'm not sure how often the top slot misses a mulitplier but lets just say it misses 50% of the time. 

So if there's a math guy here, what are the odds that the top slot rolls crazytime, hits 5x, and crazytime hits 1 out of the 54 spots or however many are on the board. It should be a pretty high number right?

If you look at the past months stats I think I counted like 9 times 5x crazytime hits. 

90 spins an hour, 2,160 spins a day if they run 24/7 without issues. its around 62k spins in a month. Within those 62k spins crazytime 5x has hit 9 times, and im not even including all the other multipliers, in total I think just from skimming tracksino in the past month theres probably been anywhere from 60-100 times crazytime has landed with a multiplier. 

if we use 60 for an example here, it means crazytime landing with a multiplier attached to it should happen once every 1k spins. Those sound like great odds when you think about it considering im thinking the odds of landing crazy time on top slot is 12.5%, then landing a multiplier lets say is 50% from there. Then landing a 1 out of 54 on the wheel is 1.85%. The total odds if im doing the math right here should be 0.001% chance of that happening. 

If my math is right crazytime hitting a top slot and landing should only hit 2 times out of 2160 spins. Which pretty much matches up with the math above. However I counted 102 crazytime top slot hits in the past month before I got bored. So basically crazytime is showing up almost twice as much as it mathmatically should. If I could see all data from crazytime maybe its just have a good past 30 days, or maybe my math is wrong somewhere (maybe top slot multipler hits more than 50% of the time, but i doubt it, it misses just as much as it hits at least from what ive witnesses) 

And that doesn't even include the other bonuses and top slots hitting with in that 2160 spins per day time frame.

I dont think the game is truly random. I think at a certain point it gets triggered to payout just like a slot, which is why they call it a slot. It has to maintain that RTP somehow, and I don't think evolution would really leave it up to randomness to bring out those big wins based on randomness. Otherwise you could go on a 1000 spin dead streak before any bonuses top spin bonuses hit and that wouldnt look good for their game. 

So if it is like a slot, there are triggers to make it pay, but how do you make a 'random wheel' pay? My guess is the top slot keeps firing off until the wheel eventually lands on something. Or they control the top slot and the wheel... I actually wouldn't mind this, because then it opens up possibilities to beat the casino by timing it. 

[The Macho Man]

After thinking about it and reflecting on my past experience with the game, I'm pretty sure the controlled part of it is the top slot and when its ready to pay the top slot drops the expected bonus and multiplier after calculating the speed and position of the wheel at that moment to give it the best chance of hitting.

However I don't think the system is full proof, There are a lot of moments where everything lines up and the wheel gets very close but doesnt hit it. So the computer calculating the place where the wheel will stop isn't 100% accurate or if its very accurate they do those spins for suspense/shot of dopamine for gamblers. 

 

[UgandanKnucklesUK]

Do you really think that the biggest company in one of the most regulated industries in the world would do anything as stupid as put a motor in a wheel?

Just crazy time? or Monopoly and dream catcher as well? also, do the other live casino providers out there have a motor in their wheels?

How many staff work at Evolution? How many live dealers? and NONE of them have ever come forward to make any such claim? even the ones that have left? 

You guys lost whilst gambling. Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions instead of coming up with crazy theories with no evidence. 

[Stevej]

1 hour ago, UgandanKnucklesUK said:

Do you really think that the biggest company in one of the most regulated industries in the world would do anything as stupid as put a motor in a wheel?

Just crazy time? or Monopoly and dream catcher as well? also, do the other live casino providers out there have a motor in their wheels?

How many staff work at Evolution? How many live dealers? and NONE of them have ever come forward to make any such claim? even the ones that have left? 

You guys lost whilst gambling. Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions instead of coming up with crazy theories with no evidence. 

Stupidest comment ever. You clearly didn’t get the point. It can be motorized and legal, but of course they want to make it look like ”analog wheel”. Doesn’t still mean it’s a scam or that you never win. All of their games have motor. It’s the clearest thing in the world.

[Slotspinner]

1 minute ago, Jeroen83 said:

Ive seen quite a few video's in where the breaking was more then obvious.

You guys need to stop believing in video proofs, as literally every single one of them is debunked

[Jane Greenwood]

I have been to the studio, I have spun the wheel. 

There are no motors or gadgets or gizmos etc. Its a heavy wheel on bearings that without any resistance, would spin for hours and hours. No one questions a roulette wheel when it spins for a long amount of time with no resistance... It's the same thing. 

Evolution have one of the biggest compliance departments in the industry, and every operator that takes their games (which is most) have compliance departments ranging from 2 to 200 people. 

Any reference to RNG is in relation to the side games within crazy time. 

[terror_82]

On 29/01/2021 at 12:46, Jane Greenwood said:

I have been to the studio, I have spun the wheel. 

There are no motors or gadgets or gizmos etc. Its a heavy wheel on bearings that without any resistance, would spin for hours and hours. No one questions a roulette wheel when it spins for a long amount of time with no resistance... It's the same thing. 

Evolution have one of the biggest compliance departments in the industry, and every operator that takes their games (which is most) have compliance departments ranging from 2 to 200 people. 

Any reference to RNG is in relation to the side games within crazy time. 

Actually now I have to say that I don't believe you. Breaking is more than obvious.  But hey, tell me more about the room. What's there in the room?

I still say Crazy Time is a really good game. I've made profit from that game last 5 months.

[dirtystack]

On 19/01/2021 at 14:23, The Macho Man said:

if we use 60 for an example here, it means crazytime landing with a multiplier attached to it should happen once every 1k spins. Those sound like great odds when you think about it considering im thinking the odds of landing crazy time on top slot is 12.5%, then landing a multiplier lets say is 50% from there. Then landing a 1 out of 54 on the wheel is 1.85%. The total odds if im doing the math right here should be 0.001% chance of that happening. 

0.001% would mean that it happens once in 100 000 spins.

You are expressing your answer as a percentage- to do so you need to multiply your answer by 100 which will result in 0.1%

Using your numbers:

12.5%=1 in 8 chance top lands on Crazytime

50% =1 in 2 chance it lands on any multiplier

1.85% = 1 in 54 chance the wheel lands on crazytime.

It’s simply (8x2x54) = 864

The odds of it happening are 1 in 864

If you want to express that as a percentage, and this is where you went wrong, you need to multiply by 100, 1/864x100 =0.11574074%
0.1% basically.

I don’t know what you are saying regarding the top slot hit that you got bored of counting. The odds of the top slot hitting crazytime and a multiplier is only 1/16 or 6.25%

 

 

 

 

[terror_82]

I was just playing Crazy Time. It first hit 10x pachinco (250x) and then seven spins after 20x crazy time (blue 2000x). Saw them both. I was playing the game, but didn't hit that cause I just happened to change the game. For me it's ok, I just got a quite good hit while back.

Unluckily lots of players complained about bets rejected. Hopefully that wasn't the case.

AND this is not the first, the second or the third time I see this happening: Big bonus immediately after big bonus but rest of the evening totally dead.

I mean, it's fine. It definitely can pay. But just saying, don't play this game blindly (and any other game either). My opinion is that it has a motor or some breaking system and it's part of its design. That's how the rtp is calculated and they have control for that.

Enjoy the game.

... okey, a little pissed off the fact that I just missed 50k euro. 😆 

[Ash W]

Enjoy the game instead of debunking myths. 

The CT chat is a prime example of when it misses how everyone all of a sudden thinks its rigged or a scam...yet still happy to punt money after 😆

[terror_82]

14 minutes ago, arw5533 said:

Enjoy the game instead of debunking myths. 

The CT chat is a prime example of when it misses how everyone all of a sudden thinks its rigged or a scam...yet still happy to punt money after 😆

No, you're not following. Nobody said that.

I say this millionth time. I don't think it's rigged - it's just motorized with rng. That's how it works. Like all of these wheel games. All of them. That removes the chance that the host can aim the wheel to certain area. Or if the host is having a bad/good/whatever day, it doesn't affect the result of the wheel.

I'm not thinking it's rigged if I don't hit the bonus. Never. I've hit the bonus many times.

[dirtystack]

Got a supercharged V8 under the hood.