Viking Posted 29 December, 2020 Share Posted 29 December, 2020 Today i have experienced something interesting. I want your opinion. I have been active on Online casino sites for 10 years and this is the first time ive experienced this. case: i got email saying i have gotten 10 Royal spins (worth 20kr/2€) on Royalpanda.com for free. I played those spins and won 672kr. I read the terms and it says 35x wagering. I then play for an hour and i am now up to 5000kr. I wanted to check my wager status, and it says 0%. I contact the chat to see whats wrong and they say i cant wager with bonus money?! They give me free spins and in order to wager the winnings i have to deposit real money and use only real money to wager it. Never have i experienced that. So for me who have quit playing with real money have 0 chance of getting the wager done.. For me this makes no sense and seems really unfair. I have not lost any money, but the bonus winning is not possible for me to get. Check chatlog: https://imgur.com/a/DFcmMOo Link to comment
dublinjay Posted 29 December, 2020 Share Posted 29 December, 2020 Ya thts what I hate about royal panda . They do the same for deposit bonuses too . It makes you feel like you playing on some curcaceo casinos . No idea why it is like that eventhough its owned by leovegas. Link to comment
waynekin Posted 29 December, 2020 Share Posted 29 December, 2020 These kind of terms need making more public pure greed from them imo , you will need to put in 100s if u dont hit big just to finish wager, this is why i wont be playing there, much better offers elsewhere Nicklosts starting using playgrand he was telling his veiwers how fast withdrawls were, i had one just above my initial deposit still not proccessed 48 hours later so i reveresed, people in his chat saying how fast they were i have played there for over 2 years nothing changed at all, why can i reverse which ukcg banned. The casino bonus offers in theses snake oil sites have no integrity at all 4-5 stars all of them basically dont trust them. Played at Risk nice profit in my account within hours Link to comment
dublinjay Posted 29 December, 2020 Share Posted 29 December, 2020 So basically now you need to wager 23,520 kr real cash .If you had stopped depositing your cash , stay with your decision mate . All it takes is just that " one time " to ruin it all. God only knows how much you will endup in profit from that 500 euros even if you decide to deposit and wager. Its not worth it , just my 2 cents Link to comment
desity2017 Posted 29 December, 2020 Share Posted 29 December, 2020 The bonus system at royal panda isn't actually bad if you think about it. Yes, you have to wager with your cash balance, but : 1. Let's say you deposit 100€ and you get bonus 100€ , then in a first couple of spins you hit 1000x+ or whatever big win, you can cancel the bonus and cash out. 2. If you drop to the bonus balance, obviously your goal is to build this bonus balance as high as you want and then you can deposit raw cash so you can go thru the wager and cash out. (I am often streaming at this casino and have explained the way that bonus works multiple times. Also never had any issues with the casino itself) Many casinos with sticky bonuses don't give you this option. As long as we talk about your case with free spins, my personal opinion is that Royal Panda should not have the same T&C as the deposit bonus. They should allow wagering without cash deposit requirements Link to comment
explorer Posted 29 December, 2020 Share Posted 29 December, 2020 23 minutes ago, dublinjay said: Ya thts what I hate about royal panda . They do the same for deposit bonuses too . It makes you feel like you playing on some curcaceo casinos . No idea why it is like that eventhough its owned by leovegas. Leo has similar terms - wager with real cash to release the bonus. Royal Panda is by far my favorite site because wagering is done with real money. You can crush wagering requirements with real money, since there are no max stake or game restrictions with real money. You just have to decide when the bonus balance is worth redepositing for or not. If I went from 672 kr to 5000 kr, for me, it would be worth it to redeposit, as the wagering is only 672*35. (obviously, nothing is guaranteed, but that is gambling) Of course, I get that it's not to everyone's liking, especially people who play a lot of free spins, but I personally think their bonus policy is great. Link to comment
Viking Posted 29 December, 2020 Author Share Posted 29 December, 2020 4 minutes ago, desity2017 said: The bonus system at royal panda isn't actually bad if you think about it. Yes, you have to wager with your cash balance, but : 1. Let's say you deposit 100€ and you get bonus 100€ , then in a first couple of spins you hit 1000x+ or whatever big win, you can cancel the bonus and cash out. 2. If you drop to the bonus balance, obviously your goal is to build this bonus balance as high as you want and then you can deposit raw cash so you can go thru the wager and cash out. (I am often streaming at this casino and have explained the way that bonus works multiple times. Also never had any issues with the casino itself) Many casinos with sticky bonuses don't give you this option. As long as we talk about your case with free spins, my personal opinion is that Royal Panda should not have the same T&C as the deposit bonus. They should allow wagering without cash deposit requirements I understand that. It makes sense with those terms in a Deposit bonus. But as you say, on freespins/free cash bonus there should be other terms. I can play and see if i get to 25k bonus balance, and then deposit and wager, but it is not a nice gift to get from Royal Panda; «here you go, free gift from us.. you only have to pay 5 times its value to get it» 😅 4 minutes ago, explorer said: Leo has similar terms - wager with real cash to release the bonus. Royal Panda is by far my favorite site because wagering is done with real money. You can crush wagering requirements with real money, since there are no max stake or game restrictions with real money. You just have to decide when the bonus balance is worth redepositing for or not. If I went from 672 kr to 5000 kr, for me, it would be worth it to redeposit, as the wagering is only 672*35. (obviously, nothing is guaranteed, but that is gambling) Of course, I get that it's not to everyone's liking, especially people who play a lot of free spins, but I personally think their bonus policy is great. as i said, i have quit gambling with real money. I played this spins because i got them for free. I believed it was possible to be lucky and make a withdrawal out of those freespin winnings, but not without betting my own money first. i will not put in my own money before i am above 20k bonus balance, because only then its worth the wagering for me. Then i am guaranteed to get some profit. Link to comment
dublinjay Posted 29 December, 2020 Share Posted 29 December, 2020 @explorer Yes I agree there are good and bad side to it with the deposit bonus . As far as the free spins are concerned as desity already mentioned free spins should be free . 5 minutes ago, Viking said: will not put in my own money before i am above 20k bonus balance, because only then its worth the wagering for me. Then i am guaranteed to get some profit. Stick with this plan and dont get carried away . You need a massive win , good luck . Link to comment
explorer Posted 29 December, 2020 Share Posted 29 December, 2020 @dublinjay Yeah, and honestly, I would prefer a lower wagering requirement for free spins in general, like 10-15x. 35x is a steep hill to climb on free spins. Almost makes you not want to even bother. Link to comment
dublinjay Posted 29 December, 2020 Share Posted 29 December, 2020 Rizk , leo free spins pay real cash. Royal panda is also a big enough casino owned by leo just wondering why this annoying terms even exist. Link to comment
Viking Posted 29 December, 2020 Author Share Posted 29 December, 2020 Update. I lost the bonusmoney. Went 50kr spins in BoD but no wins. Then its gg from me. Still unimpressed by the terms of freespins. happy new year everyone and stay safe! I hope some of you stop gambling 1. january. I have never felt better after stopping. Finally i have money left at the end of the month. Before i had no money left on the first day after salary Link to comment
dublinjay Posted 29 December, 2020 Share Posted 29 December, 2020 Be proud of yourself for sticking with the plan and not depositing . We all know how it most likely to go after " one deposit ". Maybe its all good for you overall . Imagine if you had won big with bonus money , you would have gone back gambling again in 2021 . All the best , stay strong . Link to comment
wertygo Posted 30 December, 2020 Share Posted 30 December, 2020 I take 50x requirement from Justspin/21/Nitro/Neonvegas anytimeover this shite. But it's awul. that said managed to clear 200 from 8€ today. My reccommendation: Join Pixel.bet . Leovegas owns it, For me the best casino, instant withdrawals and big game selection. Also gives non wager freespins every week. I'm not a big player but get like 25 x 1€ wager free spins almost every week Link to comment
Viking Posted 30 December, 2020 Author Share Posted 30 December, 2020 16 hours ago, dublinjay said: Be proud of yourself for sticking with the plan and not depositing . We all know how it most likely to go after " one deposit ". Maybe its all good for you overall . Imagine if you had won big with bonus money , you would have gone back gambling again in 2021 . All the best , stay strong . Thanks mate! Link to comment
dirtystack Posted 30 December, 2020 Share Posted 30 December, 2020 I like these kinds of bonuses, prefer to do the wagering with cash balance. The suit the way I deposit and play. The ones I hate are the ones where you can only wager with the bonus balance and the bonus balance is staked underneath your cash. Link to comment
yuritarded25 Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 I deleted my account on royale panda for this reason and the support use soooooo much time to reply Link to comment
Viking Posted 31 December, 2020 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2020 3 hours ago, dirtystack said: I like these kinds of bonuses, prefer to do the wagering with cash balance. The suit the way I deposit and play. The ones I hate are the ones where you can only wager with the bonus balance and the bonus balance is staked underneath your cash. Agree, but when you get free spins as a gift, you want to be able to wager the winnings with the winnings 😅 for me who have zero interest in depositing it is impossible to wager. Link to comment
dirtystack Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 yeah true, seems a bit silly in this case, was thinking deposit bonus. Link to comment
Slotspinner Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 Just doing quick math, its absolutely worth to deposit cash on 5000 SEK Bonus balance to wager 23000 SEK. This is super +EV, id always do it if you can. Royalpandas bonuses are actually great, i see many people complaining about them but they dont understand the huge value they have - the thinking is to not deposit right away but build the bonus balance higher to create a guaranteed or big EV when depositing. And then the key difference is you have no terms when playing with the cash, so you can do whatever you like Link to comment
dirtystack Posted 31 December, 2020 Share Posted 31 December, 2020 Normally yes but the OP is rightly sticking to his commitment not to put any cash into casinos anymore. Have to weigh up potential value with the knowledge one has about ones self. Something I repeatedly fail to do but whatever, will learn one day. Link to comment
Viking Posted 31 December, 2020 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2020 7 hours ago, Slotspinner said: Just doing quick math, its absolutely worth to deposit cash on 5000 SEK Bonus balance to wager 23000 SEK. This is super +EV, id always do it if you can. Royalpandas bonuses are actually great, i see many people complaining about them but they dont understand the huge value they have - the thinking is to not deposit right away but build the bonus balance higher to create a guaranteed or big EV when depositing. And then the key difference is you have no terms when playing with the cash, so you can do whatever you like 5 months ago i would not hesitate to put in cash to finish the wager, but the risk of losing my deposit is not worth it anymore. I am absolutly done with gambling and my Life is so much better now. i rather stick with getting nothing than risking any money. Its not worth risking 5 months of being «sober» just to get some free bonus money. 4 hours ago, dirtystack said: Normally yes but the OP is rightly sticking to his commitment not to put any cash into casinos anymore. Have to weigh up potential value with the knowledge one has about ones self. Something I repeatedly fail to do but whatever, will learn one day. Spot on mate. If i was 100% sure i would end up with profit i might considered a deposit. But i bet i have 200kr deposit limit aswell, so its a hard challenge 😅 Link to comment
Slotspinner Posted 2 January, 2021 Share Posted 2 January, 2021 On 31/12/2020 at 19:25, Viking said: 5 months ago i would not hesitate to put in cash to finish the wager, but the risk of losing my deposit is not worth it anymore. I am absolutly done with gambling and my Life is so much better now. i rather stick with getting nothing than risking any money. Its not worth risking 5 months of being «sober» just to get some free bonus money. Spot on mate. If i was 100% sure i would end up with profit i might considered a deposit. But i bet i have 200kr deposit limit aswell, so its a hard challenge 😅 Hey, absolutely nothing against that reasoning and state of mind 😁 i just meant for other players or just even in theory, their bonus system is quite good despite having to deposit more it works out quite well for the playerside in the long run Link to comment
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