dublinjay Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 Many times when players accused Evolution of rejecting bets deliberately( especially on monopoly 9400x round ) there were others posting saying Evolution is just a studio and software provider and has nothing to gain by cancelling bets as it is the operators who payout . I am in no way saying Evolution is rigged or deliberately rejects bets I simply don't know about that but the operators pay evolution commision from profits earned on Evolution games in addition to fixed studio and software charges. So whenever bets were rejected on massive multipler rounds ( happened good few times ) Evolution benefitted too. Evolutions own words " The majority of Evolution’s revenues consist of commission fees and fixed fees for dedicated tables, which are paid monthly by operators. Commission is calculated as a percentage of the operators’ winnings generated via the company’s Live Casino offering. Through commission, Evolution gains beneficial exposure to the general growth of the Live Casino mark " https://www.evolution.com/investment-case/business-model Link to comment
explorer Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 But that's the same way slot providers are paid. You might as well say slot providers have incentive to rig their games. It's not in Evolution's interest to conduct such blatantly corrupt practices that risk their license and their jobs, or for players to stop playing their games because of technical "glitches", legitimate or not. There is no way a legitimate casino would want to expose themselves to that kind of liability, either, when they are mathematically guaranteed a 5% long-term profit. If they wanted to squeeze more money out of their games, they could simply design games with 1% lower RTP, rather than intentionally cancelling bets here and there to artificially inflate gaming revenue. (and if you were going to devise a scam, surely there would be a better way than one which gives the vast majority of the profits to an unrelated party, in this case the casino) Players would still play (see how many players bet on Ties and Pairs in Baccarat, or any other low RTP bet you can think of), and operators would still pay for their games. Link to comment
dublinjay Posted 4 December, 2020 Author Share Posted 4 December, 2020 Honestly i am not saying its rigged . My point is that i always thought evolution just gets fixed fee from operators from reading other posts as some people previously posted in other topics, so just wanted to share what i learnt with the source 😊 Link to comment
Mwright1712 Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 We all know crazy time is rigged for kimme and Blanco, fact 😉 Link to comment
damson95 Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 Even it's all rigged, who plays crazy or monopoly lol, burning my 5€ in real life gives me more entertainment time. Link to comment
dirtystack Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 6 hours ago, dublinjay said: Many times when players accused Evolution of rejecting bets deliberately( especially on monopoly 9400x round ) there were others posting saying Evolution is just a studio and software provider and has nothing to gain by cancelling bets as it is the operators who payout . People say that there were bets rejected on this 9600x round but I've yet to see a single video of it, a single hand history of anyone who was playing the rounds prior who missed out on that round, and I've never found any chat log between a player and the casino live help or evolution live help where they are discussing a rejected bet on that round. It would be all over the internet if people got their bets rejected on that round. Where is any kind of proof at all? What has probably happened is, these people who claim to have a bet rejected,have opened the game and tried to bet just before the bonus round spin and of course their bet was rejected - you can't bet on the game after a chance has been spun, you have to wait until a win is awarded. This is an example of how the game works: 100 people bet and chance is spun - the game now does a respin - noone except the initial 100 people who had a valid bet when the first chance was spun can be involved in this game round. Those 100 players who had a valid bet for the first spin get the respin - another chance is spun - noone except the initial 100 people who had a valid bet when the first chance was spun are involved in this game round. Those 100 players who had a valid bet for the first spin now get another respins - the bonus round is spun - noone except the initial 100 people who had a valid bet when the first chance was spun are involved with this bonus round. It is all one game round and anyone who joined in the 1.5 to 2 minutes of respins after the first chance was spun would be unable to bet because they were not there for the start of the game round. This is how the game works and anyone claiming they had a valid bet that was rejected, well, just show any proof whatsoever - haven't seen a single screenshot or anything, I guess all these people with rejected bets on a 9600x win just let it go. Is it rigged? I don't know - I just know that I haven't found a single piece of evidence regarding this round, just people saying their bet got rejected and then going quiet when you ask for picture of their game history showing the rejected bet or showing them playing any of the rounds prior to the 9600x win. Have a search and see if you can find anything with any validity. Link to comment
dublinjay Posted 4 December, 2020 Author Share Posted 4 December, 2020 30 minutes ago, dirtystack said: What has probably happened is, these people who claim to have a bet rejected,have opened the game and tried to bet just before the bonus round spin and of course their bet was rejected - you can't bet on the game after a chance has been spun, you have to wait until a win is awarded. Those 100 players who had a valid bet for the first spin get the respin - another chance is spun - noone except the initial 100 people who had a valid bet when the first chance was spun are involved in this game round. That makes sense . Thats not rejected bet in anyway . Probably people were annoyed that they missed the big win and started spreading fake news in anger. Link to comment
dirtystack Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 I've searched high and low for any proof of rejected bets on that round, didn't find a single screenshot or anything. I've even asked some people in forums to supply game round history from the time of the win and have been told that they can't remember the day/time. When I have supplied them the date and time they conveniently can't access their account at the moment or some other nonsense excuse. I really hate it when people lie to try to convince people of something and believe it undermines any legitimate concerns. Link to comment
dublinjay Posted 4 December, 2020 Author Share Posted 4 December, 2020 Not relevant to the post but may be I am so obsessed with evolution now . I only started playing online this year march after the lockdowns and I almost exclusively only play live games on evolution . I like Evolutions UI thts the main reason . I would say i lost around 20k+ since march. ( i would have most probably lost it in land based if they were open ) I would have won with evolution if I bought their shares instead 😝. I am not a trader or anything but If i understand it correctly , last year 2019 dec evolution's share price was 257 and now it is 3 times more 767 . https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/EVO.ST/ Link to comment
Slotspinner Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 @dirtystackif there is a nomination for MVP forum contributor id probably vote for you, you explain so many things very detailed to understand Link to comment
RJ- Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 I have a played A LOT of evolution gaming live games like Monopoly / Crazy Time at high stakes 60-100 EU spins (maybe 4000 spins?). I have never ever had 1 rejected bet. In my opinion, yes, the games are rigged / controlled and they decide when they provide the big wins in order to match the RTP of the game. But that's it. I agree on Dirtystack's message as well! Link to comment
Orzabot Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 1 hour ago, Slotspinner said: @dirtystackif there is a nomination for MVP forum contributor id probably vote for you, you explain so many things very detailed to understand I agree 100% with that comment Link to comment
Ash W Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 @dirtystackI never had any rejections on raw cash but when accidently playing bonus funds or slipped into bonus funds ive had bets rejected for obvious reasons. To a degree peoples internet connections may have a part to play on any legit rejections again not that I have seen any of these occur. I personally doubt any part of the system is rigged or hard wired to give precise results but they can probably increase the advantage with certain controls on wheel games on speed and release time. Link to comment
Mwright1712 Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 8 hours ago, Mwright1712 said: We all know crazy time is rigged for kimme and Blanco, fact 😉 Dossers Link to comment
dirtystack Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 59 minutes ago, arw5533 said: @dirtystackI never had any rejections on raw cash but when accidently playing bonus funds or slipped into bonus funds ive had bets rejected for obvious reasons. To a degree peoples internet connections may have a part to play on any legit rejections again not that I have seen any of these occur. I personally doubt any part of the system is rigged or hard wired to give precise results but they can probably increase the advantage with certain controls on wheel games on speed and release time. I'm not disputing bets get rejected for various reasons. I know they do, it has happened to me many times. Link to comment
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