ban online casino streamers

[TechnoJoe]

12 hours ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

Listen you guys will never understand, you're part of the same group. You all agree streamers should be allowed to continue and for some strange reason you believe there is good in what you're doing.

I've put my points across. Let's see how it plays out in the long run.

Pick ur dummy up son

[TechnoJoe]

sorry for the series for posts, i wanted to reply to some that i had read for first time since yesterday

 

And Ryan, I'm sure you mean well, but you are misguided.  You have no right to determine, or attempt to influence, what other adults may or may not do (within the confines of law)

Wheres the OP at - presumably furiously emailing his MP.

[RyanMcSplooger]

3 hours ago, TechnoJoe said:

Pick ur dummy up son

Your replies are childish and you have zero credibility. There's ways of talking to people, regardless of how passionate you are (either side). You sound like an idiot.

[TommyBhoy]

@RyanMcSplooger I agree ,  he is  very childish but not as childish as that laughing stock @Slotspinner

@TechnoJoe why cant u and the rest of the sheep here on cg just acknowledge that some people find the streams offensive?  I know it will take a big incident to get the streamers banned .  This will happen eventually.  We are all entitled to our own opinion.

Why has casinogrounds even bothered having a RG section on this forum when its clear as day nobody gives an eff about RG on this forum.   

The forum streamers were all down to earth guys to begin with.  Look at them now! Really sad in my opinion.

[TommyBhoy]

@TechnoJoe talking about who to avoid lets start with leovegas

complaints all over the net, rogue behaviour in the past

rather deal with William Hill or Betfair than Leovegas any day of the week.

[Slotplayer]

8 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

@RyanMcSplooger I agree ,  he is  very childish but not as childish as that laughing stock @Slotspinner

@TechnoJoe why cant u and the rest of the sheep here on cg just acknowledge that some people find the streams offensive?  I know it will take a big incident to get the streamers banned .  This will happen eventually.  We are all entitled to our own opinion.

Why has casinogrounds even bothered having a RG section on this forum when its clear as day nobody gives an eff about RG on this forum.   

The forum streamers were all down to earth guys to begin with.  Look at them now! Really sad in my opinion.

You accuse somebody of being childish to then continue with your insulting and childish posts yourself.

Time to look in the mirror.

[Slotplayer]

To follow on and talking about acknowledgement.

Streamers have made changes.

Streamers do acknowledge that their material can be dangerous for problem gamblers.

On the other hand, the anti brigade can't acknowledge that streaming and affiliation is a legal means of earning money and until such time it is deemed illegal then the streamers can continue to operate providing they comply with existing regulations and guidance.

At no point have the anti brigade attempted to find a middle ground. It is either their way or no way.

[TommyBhoy]

38 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

To follow on and talking about acknowledgement.

Streamers have made changes.

Streamers do acknowledge that their material can be dangerous for problem gamblers.

On the other hand, the anti brigade can't acknowledge that streaming and affiliation is a legal means of earning money and until such time it is deemed illegal then the streamers can continue to operate providing they comply with existing regulations and guidance.

At no point have the anti brigade attempted to find a middle ground. It is either their way or no way.

I know fine well its legal, never said it wasnt.  I also know it will take a big incident to stop streamers ie someone harming themselves through gambling addiction and there parents coming out and saying yeah he watched streamers for 3 hours a day. .  Its immoral though.  Your promoting a product that is potentially causing people to end up with all types of financial problems.  If you can do that then thats upto you.    Adults make there own choices yes but your potentially drawing addicts back in. That is a fact.

[Casinomon]

 I´d just like to add one point

The streamers did NOT create the gamblers/viewers, it´s the other way around. Some comments about some streamers turning into this and that, definitely there has been a lot of changes and it´s not like it was in the "vanilla time" of casino streaming. What happened to the guys that we´re playing 20 cent and 40 cent bets on JATB and Gonzos ? That were insanely excited for a €160 win and a €1k win was like a lifechanging jackpot? Did they suddenly decide that they don´t like gambling and switched focus on affiliation and revenue for income purposes, as opposed to why most of them started streaming in the first place?

Probably not...... The VIEWERS created what the streamers are today. As a streamer, I want to entertain my viewers, I want everyone to feel good, be happy,  and keep on improving. 
At a certain point however, your viewer base will reach a point where you can´t be as "down to earth" as you used to be. Suddenly it´s challenging, it´s not easy to be streaming for 200 or 500+ people and it takes a LOT of focus and energy to keep up with everything at the same time as you try keeping everyone happy. Then if you are serious about what you are doing, as you grow, you will get much attention from all possible directions, you will have to keep updated with regulations and policies, MGA, UKGCA , etc. 

Add some competitions and raffles, tons of whispers and so on...... 

As a streamer, you have to adapt after your audience to some extent. Either that, or simply end up streaming for the same 15 people over and over again for the rest of your life. But that would not generate the revenue needed to place, according to the viewers based on results, big enough bets to make it interesting. So 13 of these would probably go as well and then you are there alone with 2 moderators and nothing to do. 

As a viewer, if you rather watch someone play responsibly with maybe low stakes and good bankroll management , rather than someone advertising giveaways and doing €20 spins or more like if it was spare change, that is super fine. and if all was the same, streaming would probably look different today. But the numbers speak for themselves when it comes to what YOU, the VIEWERS want to watch. 

Remember, you create your own world, individually and collectively. If you don´t watch casino streams, they don´t exists. If you only watch €10k bankrolls with €50 bets, thats the only way to play casino and absolutely normal. If you watch €20 bankrolls and 10 cent bets only, then that becomes the standard in your world and the second you see a €10 bet you think the person is out of his mind. 

 

 

I am sure there are streamers in it for the money, just as well as there are streamers who just want to keep on streaming. Either way, none of it is possible without adapting to the viewers. You get what you create

[Slotplayer]

29 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

I know fine well its legal, never said it wasnt.  I also know it will take a big incident to stop streamers ie someone harming themselves through gambling addiction and there parents coming out and saying yeah he watched streamers for 3 hours a day. .  Its immoral though.  Your promoting a product that is potentially causing people to end up with all types of financial problems.  If you can do that then thats upto you.    Adults make there own choices yes but your potentially drawing addicts back in. That is a fact.

Think abour the children... That old chestnut. Parents have a greater responsibility than the streamer to make sure their offspring don't watch stuff not intended for them.

Fact also is that the addict should not be watching me and other than banning streaming I would love to know how I can do just that.

So then clever cloggs, give me the solution and I implement it immediately.

[someguy123]

11 hours ago, TechnoJoe said:

I'm very sorry, but if you are a gambling addict (to the point where it affects your life and disposable income adversely, family etc) then you are absolutely weak imo.

Gambling online or land based is like every other product out there - we can choose whether we purchase it or not! I enjoy that freedom of choice.

I do sincerely hope that none of your family or closest friends ever gets inflicted with any kind of addiction. Just the thought someone being around their closest relationships and believing that they are lesser people and weak is a sad thought.

I have no idea what being a compulsive gambler is like but my believe is that the "crack cocaine of gambling"(online slots) is just that to a person with addictive gambling personality. The accounts of compulsive gamblers are always the same, I truly wanted to stop but I had no control over my brain nor my body. Studies also show that gambling for any person changes the chemical balance in the brain. For those who are depressive, manic or compulsive they show a chemical imbalance that are like something we have never seen in other non-drug addictions. 

If you have the time I can really recommend and article from the Atlantic, https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/12/losing-it-all/505814/ 

It's a well-written article with interesting stories. It's a good read even for persons that are not interested in this kind of gambling or any gambling.

11 hours ago, TechnoJoe said:

sorry for the series for posts, i wanted to reply to some that i had read for first time since yesterday

 

And Ryan, I'm sure you mean well, but you are misguided.  You have no right to determine, or attempt to influence, what other adults may or may not do (within the confines of law)

Wheres the OP at - presumably furiously emailing his MP.

Yes you really should use the Multi-quote option as writing seven posts and some with only one sentence really disrupt the flow of conversation.

4 hours ago, Slotplayer said:

To follow on and talking about acknowledgement.

Streamers have made changes.

Streamers do acknowledge that their material can be dangerous for problem gamblers.

On the other hand, the anti brigade can't acknowledge that streaming and affiliation is a legal means of earning money and until such time it is deemed illegal then the streamers can continue to operate providing they comply with existing regulations and guidance.

At no point have the anti brigade attempted to find a middle ground. It is either their way or no way.

3 hours ago, Slotplayer said:

Think abour the children... That old chestnut. Parents have a greater responsibility than the streamer to make sure their offspring don't watch stuff not intended for them.

Fact also is that the addict should not be watching me and other than banning streaming I would love to know how I can do just that.

So then clever cloggs, give me the solution and I implement it immediately.

I find it curious that when you compile the list over persons you believe are in the "anti brigade". You either doesn't include me or you don't think my opinion on the matter lands somewhere in the middle. If its the former then you shouldn't be surprised that if you compile a list with those who have the most extreme views you will not find a compromise within that list. If it's the latter I'm curious how my stance that Youtube and Twitch should block gambling related content from viewers that doesn't have an account and give those who have an account the ability to block gambling related content themselves doesn't qualify as an compromise. This is not something you can implement, but streamers and viewers could work together to push the companies into implementing it. 

Yes parents do have a responsibility for their children but they cant watch over them all day ever day. Parents should be able to feel secure that businesses  doesn't target their children for monetary gains(when it comes to adult entertainment), maybe you haven't read the story about "TmarTn" that created an online gambling site using skins from CSGO as currency. He deceived his audience with youtube videos showing big wins on that site not disclosing that he owned it, furthermore his audience was young and the majority was 13-16 years old. Then we have Valve who maintained the bots and the market system to let underage customers to gamble on these sites. To have a stance that neither of these entities would have any responsibility on their actions with the knowledge that they are making money on supplying gambling to 13 year old's are absurd to me.

Yes it is completely possible to gain skins with extreme value without using their parents credit cards, so saying that the parents should be able and control this solely on the reason that a credit card would have to be used for purchasing skins is not valid.

[Slotplayer]

Well my streams are not targetted towards children. On Twitch they are in the casino section and you need to be 18 to view them and have an account. If kids decide to falsify accounts to be able to watch it, then sorry but I am not responsible for that.

As I said before we been here before. There is another topic on this forum a few months ago. The streamers made changes following feedback but this obviously is not good enough for some, hence the creation of this topic.

As to your first paragraph, in your first post I acknowledged that there were some interesting points raised. My point about acknowledgement were more directed towards the OP, Ryan, Johnyboy who don't appear to want to compromise and want it to go all their way.

And I say it again - I don't want to refer a problem gambler to a casino, I don't paticularly want him to watch me but I need the tools to do so. And not streaming is not the option because those that enjoy watching streams shouldn't have to suffer.

The option to only watch streams via opt in only is great as long as the streams are able to be found via search.

[RyanMcSplooger]

21 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

Well my streams are not targetted towards children. On Twitch they are in the casino section and you need to be 18 to view them and have an account. If kids decide to falsify accounts to be able to watch it, then sorry but I am not responsible for that.

As I said before we been here before. There is another topic on this forum a few months ago. The streamers made changes following feedback but this obviously is not good enough for some, hence the creation of this topic.

As to your first paragraph, in your first post I acknowledged that there were some interesting points raised. My point about acknowledgement were more directed towards the OP, Ryan, Johnyboy who don't appear to want to compromise and want it to go all their way.

And I say it again - I don't want to refer a problem gambler to a casino, I don't paticularly want him to watch me but I need the tools to do so. And not streaming is not the option because those that enjoy watching streams shouldn't have to suffer.

The option to only watch streams via opt in only is great as long as the streams are able to be found via search.

The problem with compromise is that unless action is enforced by regulatory bodies then streamers will avoid making any substantial changes because it's not a legality. People like myself have no power over what streamers do. 

If a solution was put forward that stops addicts viewing such content then I would be all for it. There isn't such a solution though. If you take away the addicts then the income of the streamer will be severely effected so I doubt they would want to do anything. 

Will also echo what has been said about YouTube. It's a huge platform accessible to anyone and everyone and I don't believe such content should be viewed by everyone. Minors and addicts are viewing this content, that's undeniable. A ban is the only solution in my eyes for these reasons.

 

[Slotplayer]

12 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

The problem with compromise is that unless action is enforced by regulatory bodies then streamers will avoid making any substantial changes because it's not a legality. People like myself have no power over what streamers do. 

If a solution was put forward that stops addicts viewing such content then I would be all for it. There isn't such a solution though. If you take away the addicts then the income of the streamer will be severely effected so I doubt they would want to do anything. 

Will also echo what has been said about YouTube. It's a huge platform accessible to anyone and everyone and I don't believe such content should be viewed by everyone. Minors and addicts are viewing this content, that's undeniable. A ban is the only solution in my eyes for these reasons.

 

Well I am for one welcome the solution for somebody to self exclude from my streams so to speak. I have consistently said this in this topic and also during the streams that PaulD did a few months ago.

There used to be a piece of software that not only blocked casino sites, it also blocked websites such as these and believe it or not gambling videos too. I trialled it for a few days and it refused to let me watch The Bandit. Unfortunately it has been discontinued.

[TechnoJoe]

9 hours ago, someguy123 said:

I do sincerely hope that none of your family or closest friends ever gets inflicted with any kind of addiction. Just the thought someone being around their closest relationships and believing that they are lesser people and weak is a sad thought.

I have no idea what being a compulsive gambler is like but my believe is that the "crack cocaine of gambling"(online slots) is just that to a person with addictive gambling personality. The accounts of compulsive gamblers are always the same, I truly wanted to stop but I had no control over my brain nor my body. Studies also show that gambling for any person changes the chemical balance in the brain. For those who are depressive, manic or compulsive they show a chemical imbalance that are like something we have never seen in other non-drug addictions. 

If you have the time I can really recommend and article from the Atlantic, https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/12/losing-it-all/505814/ 

It's a well-written article with interesting stories. It's a good read even for persons that are not interested in this kind of gambling or any gambling.

Yes you really should use the Multi-quote option as writing seven posts and some with only one sentence really disrupt the flow of conversation.

I find it curious that when you compile the list over persons you believe are in the "anti brigade". You either doesn't include me or you don't think my opinion on the matter lands somewhere in the middle. If its the former then you shouldn't be surprised that if you compile a list with those who have the most extreme views you will not find a compromise within that list. If it's the latter I'm curious how my stance that Youtube and Twitch should block gambling related content from viewers that doesn't have an account and give those who have an account the ability to block gambling related content themselves doesn't qualify as an compromise. This is not something you can implement, but streamers and viewers could work together to push the companies into implementing it. 

Yes parents do have a responsibility for their children but they cant watch over them all day ever day. Parents should be able to feel secure that businesses  doesn't target their children for monetary gains(when it comes to adult entertainment), maybe you haven't read the story about "TmarTn" that created an online gambling site using skins from CSGO as currency. He deceived his audience with youtube videos showing big wins on that site not disclosing that he owned it, furthermore his audience was young and the majority was 13-16 years old. Then we have Valve who maintained the bots and the market system to let underage customers to gamble on these sites. To have a stance that neither of these entities would have any responsibility on their actions with the knowledge that they are making money on supplying gambling to 13 year old's are absurd to me.

Yes it is completely possible to gain skins with extreme value without using their parents credit cards, so saying that the parents should be able and control this solely on the reason that a credit card would have to be used for purchasing skins is not valid.

I would use the multi quote function, but it makes the individual post far too long, arduous, and just a chore, like the one I've just quoted - didnt get half way through yours - seems like you read all of mines.  Funny eh?

[TechnoJoe]

17 hours ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

Your replies are childish and you have zero credibility. There's ways of talking to people, regardless of how passionate you are (either side). You sound like an idiot.

Dont you have a stream to dislike or something - go find Paul D and you can do it together, just dont mention each others name.

[Alan_smith]

Ryan im really surprised to find you here banging on about affiliation.  I remember you bragging about how you earned thousands every month through product affiliation.  If you done a bit of research you would know that leading experts are concerned shopping addiction is fast becoming  a bigger problem than alcohol, drugs and GAMBLING!!! With it affecting up to 10% of the population and it leading to debt,family break ups, depression and even suicide.  Go and google it and you will see im not making it up

[RyanMcSplooger]

1 hour ago, Alan_smith said:

Ryan im really surprised to find you here banging on about affiliation.  I remember you bragging about how you earned thousands every month through product affiliation.  If you done a bit of research you would know that leading experts are concerned shopping addiction is fast becoming  a bigger problem than alcohol, drugs and GAMBLING!!! With it affecting up to 10% of the population and it leading to debt,family break ups, depression and even suicide.  Go and google it and you will see im not making it up

That's right Alan. I ran a website which found very low cost items from Amazon. No product cost more than £20. Can't see many people killing themselves over an 80% saving on hair straighteners and such to be fair. Unless the prices were just too incredibly low and shocked them to death. I once found a free vacuum on there after you applied a coupon and posted it. Maybe that's what finished them off.

Seriously people try to use ANYTHING against me. In this thread there is accusations of me disliking videos on multiple accounts. Yesterday I was accused of extortion (yes, you heard correctly) and telling people to report accounts using multiple aliases, I also get accused of being troll every day. I wonder who this Alan Smith is? I can guarantee that's not his name and is just another maniac troll who follows me around on the internet trying to intimidate me. Like I said, the community is toxic.

[Casinomon]

33 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

Seriously people try to use ANYTHING against me

And yet, I find you alone trying to use anything against the streamers. And I must say that you, as an individual, targeting a group of people and with them their supporters, accusing them of various stuff in a open forum. The least you can expect is getting the same treatment back, only that I might imagine it stings a bit more since it´s now concentrated on one person. 

This is probably gonna go on for a while without leading to anything constructive at all. Imagine if you were putting all this energy into talking to the behind programs like slot tracker and similar, maybe it would possible to let user configure the program in such way so that you can set limits or even  have the program to react on your betting pattern and losses, identying a tilting player and pop up some warning or even more than that?

I just took this out of the air now, it´s maybe not a good idea at all. But already I find the suggestion alone more constructive in terms of achieving what you seem to care so much about, reducing problematic gambling. It´s something you can build upon without any real room to start accusing eachother and fighting about stuff. 

 

Edit: 

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Imagine if you were putting all this energy...........

By this I meant myself and everyone else involved in a thread like this, not just you personally 

[RyanMcSplooger]

23 minutes ago, Casinomon said:

And yet, I find you alone trying to use anything against the streamers. And I must say that you, as an individual, targeting a group of people and with them their supporters, accusing them of various stuff in a open forum. The least you can expect is getting the same treatment back, only that I might imagine it stings a bit more since it´s now concentrated on one person. 

This is probably gonna go on for a while without leading to anything constructive at all. Imagine if you were putting all this energy into talking to the behind programs like slot tracker and similar, maybe it would possible to let user configure the program in such way so that you can set limits or even  have the program to react on your betting pattern and losses, identying a tilting player and pop up some warning or even more than that?

I just took this out of the air now, it´s maybe not a good idea at all. But already I find the suggestion alone more constructive in terms of achieving what you seem to care so much about, reducing problematic gambling. It´s something you can build upon without any real room to start accusing eachother and fighting about stuff. 

 

Edit: 

By this I meant myself and everyone else involved in a thread like this, not just you personally 

I have been campaigning behind the scenes to the relevant governing bodies about this for around 3 or 4 months. I am campaigning to protect problem gamblers yet I get a tirade of abuse and death threats sent to my immediate family, which made me take my videos down off YouTube. 

I'm also for the implementation of a gambling ID card. One which limits your deposits universally, from land based casino to bookmakers and online casinos. Call it a gateway in which you must enter ID before you place a bet/login. This to stop people depositing at various places after going over their deposit limit and self excluding from a certain bookmaker/casino.

[Slotplayer]

4 hours ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

I have been campaigning behind the scenes to the relevant governing bodies about this for around 3 or 4 months. I am campaigning to protect problem gamblers yet I get a tirade of abuse and death threats sent to my immediate family, which made me take my videos down off YouTube. 

I'm also for the implementation of a gambling ID card. One which limits your deposits universally, from land based casino to bookmakers and online casinos. Call it a gateway in which you must enter ID before you place a bet/login. This to stop people depositing at various places after going over their deposit limit and self excluding from a certain bookmaker/casino.

Well that card and the global self exclusion database coming up will certainly help those that can't control their gambling and the sooner either or both are implemented the better as far as I am concerned.

I am all for protecting the problem gambler but I don't believe those that can control their gambling should suffer because of it.

[allr]

I throw in my 2 cents aswell. This might be messy, since my mind is messy.

 

I would call myself an addict, i managed to join hundreds of casinoes, long before the streamers came, just by typing "new casino" in the browser. And that is one of the problems, its way to easy joining new casinoes, whats the point in self exclusion, if you can just open a new account in a new casino. (I dont know how many are as bad as me, but i have litterally opened hundreds of accounts, often just to get 20fs no deposit.)

It really should be so that the self exlusion counts for all casinoes, and casinoes shouldnt speculate in problem gamblers cancelling theire withdrawals, etc.. This is not a industry with very high morals, they do very much to increase their profits and decrease their expences. who wouldnt.

On an other hand, you shouldnt just say that people with gambling problem should just be strong and manage it them self, if the casinoes act in a predatory way, there should be ways  to limit their ways and income. I just dont believe streamers is where to put the finger on the problem.

The streamers should be open about it if they stream to try make a living out of it, but i dont see how that is wrong, like any other trying to make a living through social media.

I stopped watching most of the streamers, because i find it a bit shady pushing those affiliate links, and because i gambled away all my food money for the ninth month in a row and needed i break. I mean, if you do it just for the fun, why push those links, just say that you are in it for money.

The problem lays with the casinoes, the person with a problem and not the streamers. 

So my points are

1.  It should be harder for casinoes to exploit peoples weaknesses

2: A slot addict will allways find a way to play slots and it really is up to that person/me to take care of the problem

3. Streamers should be open if they actually make a living streaming slots

Thats my 2 cents - peace     -Allreven

 

[RyanMcSplooger]

1 hour ago, allr said:

I throw in my 2 cents aswell. This might be messy, since my mind is messy.

 

I would call myself an addict, i managed to join hundreds of casinoes, long before the streamers came, just by typing "new casino" in the browser. And that is one of the problems, its way to easy joining new casinoes, whats the point in self exclusion, if you can just open a new account in a new casino. (I dont know how many are as bad as me, but i have litterally opened hundreds of accounts, often just to get 20fs no deposit.)

It really should be so that the self exlusion counts for all casinoes, and casinoes shouldnt speculate in problem gamblers cancelling theire withdrawals, etc.. This is not a industry with very high morals, they do very much to increase their profits and decrease their expences. who wouldnt.

On an other hand, you shouldnt just say that people with gambling problem should just be strong and manage it them self, if the casinoes act in a predatory way, there should be ways  to limit their ways and income. I just dont believe streamers is where to put the finger on the problem.

The streamers should be open about it if they stream to try make a living out of it, but i dont see how that is wrong, like any other trying to make a living through social media.

I stopped watching most of the streamers, because i find it a bit shady pushing those affiliate links, and because i gambled away all my food money for the ninth month in a row and needed i break. I mean, if you do it just for the fun, why push those links, just say that you are in it for money.

The problem lays with the casinoes, the person with a problem and not the streamers. 

So my points are

1.  It should be harder for casinoes to exploit peoples weaknesses

2: A slot addict will allways find a way to play slots and it really is up to that person/me to take care of the problem

3. Streamers should be open if they actually make a living streaming slots

Thats my 2 cents - peace     -Allreven

 

I certainly don't mind this opinion at all. The streamers are being allowed to do this so the issue really isn't with them, they have just been taken over by greed and once they started to see the money to be made its easy to be very defensive and to shut their eyes and pretend that addicts are not watching. 

I take issue with number 2 though. For me personally I was gamble free for 3 and a half years and only deposited again after viewing these videos. I won't be alone. I do accept responsibility for my own actions but this type of content to an addict is extremely destructive. 

I wish you well to stop gambling (if that's what you're hoping to achieve)

[Ban online casinostreaming]

On 1/12/2018 at 8:02 PM, Slotplayer said:

Ok so Paul doesn't agree with it. His opinion.

But the OP wants all streams banned. So how does taking away affiliate links solve that problem.

I highlighted the bits for you:

Which takes me onto my final point which no one has picked up in the media yet (hopefully i can change this) is the rise of the casino affiliate marketing boom, Online casino streamers using you tube and twitch, They are affiliates for the casinos and spend hours streaming and posting gambling content online with links in there adverts getting there vulnerable watchers to sign up to the casinos they are promoting. Posting there big wins online making people think its actually possible to win ! In my opnion this has to be looked into as it is predatory behavior and needs to be fully regulated or in my opinion stopped completely. They make there money by getting people to sign up to these casinos and then make more money when they lose it is such immoral behavior. Below is the list of the main online casino affiliate streamers that people in the UK get persuaded into signing up to through their links. Not to mention the irresponsible promoting of gambling for hours after hours every day and night ! . (on you tube and twitch)

Paul will continue to stream and all the addicts (your words) will still be watching him. I thought it was that you wanted stopped.

Or is the real agenda here that as long you don't make money off the back of the streams/videos you are more than happy to continue to feed the addicts?

Personally i would like Rocknrolla banned as well nothing against him but as far as casino streamers go he isnt as predatory with the pushing of sign ups, casino advertising links, special offers etc etc as the CG streamers. But as stated many times no casino streamer is a responsible gambler or promotes responsible gambling hopefully clears up that point.

[Slotplayer]

7 minutes ago, Ban online casinostreaming said:

denial, The worst place to be my friend. 

I am no friend of yours. Who the fuck are you to tell me I am in denial?

Sussed it out now - you are just a troll so will definitely ignore you from now on.