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Obviously I didn't play the playngo games in the casino site where N1 conveniently dropped the rtp from 95-96 to 87 (seems like they enjoy this practice)  but this is really flat out disappointing. I don't watch a lot of streams and especially now within the last year because of a new job and time restraints, but the few streams I have watched I've generally enjoyed because of good peoples and the idea that someone is not constantly trying to pump money from me. 

Kind of getting the feeling CG is just becoming one of the bunch that whores out casinolinks just to make a buck. That's not a good look by the way. There's no excuse for shit like this, it's absolutely disturbing that you'd promote robbery.

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1 hour ago, asmeister said:

Why would Casinogrounds promote casinos that drive the RTP in some games to 87%? I mean cmon I understand money has to be made cause there's bills to be paid but this is kind of shitty guys.

87% is rather disgusting, I'll definitely agree!

3 minutes ago, asmeister said:

Kind of getting the feeling CG is just becoming one of the bunch that whores out casinolinks just to make a buck. That's not a good look by the way. There's no excuse for shit like this, it's absolutely disturbing that you'd promote robbery.

But, I think your comment here is a little harsh and unfair though, especially saying they're promoting robbery.
They can't be held responsible for a casino choosing to use a low RTP version of a slot from a provider. They're not going to have the time or resources to constantly monitor their affiliated casinos slot RTP percentages, especially when they can one day just choose a different RTP version without any kind of notification.

If anything, I know Kim and others GC streamers flat out refuse to play any slot on stream that is below a certain RTP, and insist on trying to educate their audience about always checking the games RTP, and not playing ones that are low out of principal.

Rather than blaming anyone else, I think it's important to take accountability as intelligent gamblers to know exactly what we're betting on, and make smart choices about where our money goes if your conscientious about things such as the house edge. The best thing we can do to combat low RTP games, is not to play them!

Unfortunately, most casual gamblers don't even know what RTP is, or if they do, they don't care too much about it. They just want to play games they enjoy.

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I hope PlaynGo fuck themselves over.

I doubt it will happen as the informed gamblers, those that sign up to forums where they can’t read and discuss, are a tiny minority. Will be a long time before the normal players evolve away from PlaynGo. Will take a lot of bad results to put them off.

If I am not mistaken PlaynGo became the main online slot provider a couple of years ago and it seems their business plan, once reaching the top, was to encourage the casinos to lower the RTP rather then develop products that will keep them at the top.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they had used the popularity of their products to demand a much higher profit share and offered the casinos the lower RTP scales as a way for them to justify the added premium.

example:If you want to use our products you are going to have to pay us 20% of the profits generated through our products rather then the previous 10% but don’t worry, you can lower the RTP and recoup that money!

Pure speculation on my part(I have no doubt this is the case but also have no proof)

The percentages in my example are made up, there is only one provider I know of that can demand 10% of the profits generated. 

I just hope that it backfires on them and they slowly erode to nothingness.

 

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The RTP is changing from casino sides, as explained by @joshnadin. Casinos are changing the RTP values due to ever changing regulations in the markets, in Germany for example if casinos were to keep highest RTP, they'd make a loss in the market (due to high taxes and contributions) hence they implement lower RTP slots from providers that offer that, to increase the Casino's margin.

At the end of the day if you run a casino, you will need to be profitable and adaptable even though it is in big disadvantage to the player. Casinos may or may not be changing their terms or the chosen versions of RTP at any given time so it's hard to keep up everything accurate and up to date.

This is sadly becoming the new reality, my personal prediction would be that with further regulations we will see even more casinos choosing lower RTP.




 

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I dispute that it is down to the fact they would make a make a loss if they ran the higher RTP versions - if that were true then they why do they run the games from other providers with over 96% RTP 

I believe PlaynGo is using their clout to demand a higher profit share and offering the adjustable RTP as a way to offset the increased cost(and also increase their profit share)

Milking as much as they can while at the top - I hope they wither away. They will probably continue lowering their RTP to compensate without considering that it will turn people off.

 

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1 hour ago, dirtystack said:

If I am not mistaken PlaynGo became the main online slot provider a couple of years ago and it seems their business plan, once reaching the top, was to encourage the casinos to lower the RTP rather then develop products that will keep them at the top.

I don't know why they're still so popular amongst slot players.

The whole market trend has gone towards high volatility with huge max win potential, which is the complete opposite of PlaynGo's style.
I've never really been a fan. But, I too hope they end up fucking themselves over, and they fizzle out into nothingness.

1 hour ago, dirtystack said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if they had used the popularity of their products to demand a much higher profit share and offered the casinos the lower RTP scales as a way for them to justify the added premium.

example:If you want to use our products you are going to have to pay us 20% of the profits generated through our products rather then the previous 10% but don’t worry, you can lower the RTP and recoup that money!

Pure speculation on my part(I have no doubt this is the case but also have no proof)

This is indeed the case.

Alongside a combination of what @Skylined87said with it being increasingly expensive for online casinos to operate in general, and especially in certain demographics.

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Going from 95% RTP down to 87% may not seem like a huge difference.
But, when you put it into perspective that its a 166% increase in the expected profit of the game, its massive.

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It is bad enough having to play a low RTP slot but having to hunt for the RTP information is not helping the players. RTP should be clearly shown on the games loading screen so that the player can immediately close the slot down if it is not to their liking. No more hunting within the various option screens where the RTP is shown.

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I understand if it feels harsh to lash out CG because like said in the thread, casinos change their RTP at times, but this was a newly added casino. Be it incompetence or malice it doesn't really change the end result.

I don't consider reviewing a casino that drops games to 87% as having no real flaws in it's review as "reviewed by our team with the players' best interest at heart , and those that pass the checks are added to our index of online casinos found here." like it says on the front page. If this is the case, what good is a CG review? Seems like your average everyday run-of-the-mill aff link site where some goblin of a human being is trying to squeeze money from you regardless of anything else.


Also, you cannot check the RTP of the games without registering, at least not in this site.  I don't mean to shit on streamers because for the most part they're nice guys in this neck of the woods but c'mon there's no excuse for promoting this shit.

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5 hours ago, Slotplayer said:

It is bad enough having to play a low RTP slot but having to hunt for the RTP information is not helping the players. RTP should be clearly shown on the games loading screen so that the player can immediately close the slot down if it is not to their liking. No more hunting within the various option screens where the RTP is shown.

Yeah. Regulators say they do it protect gamblers, but this would actually be the easiest way - just make them show RTP.

 

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9 hours ago, asmeister said:

I don't consider reviewing a casino that drops games to 87% as having no real flaws in it's review as "reviewed by our team with the players' best interest at heart , and those that pass the checks are added to our index of online casinos found here." like it says on the front page. If this is the case, what good is a CG review? Seems like your average everyday run-of-the-mill aff link site where some goblin of a human being is trying to squeeze money from you regardless of anything else.

Personally, I think many factors come into play when deciding if a casino generally has the players interests at heart.

If they have fantastic support, have a track record of being helpful rather than not, have good responsible gambling facilities available, offer speedy withdrawals, are on point with document verification plus many other positive factors; but just have one provider that they offer with low RTP, I wouldn't say that sole factor alone would justify saying the casino isn't 'good' enough to be affiliated.
Let alone that GC are goblins looking to squeeze money from everyone.. 😬

13 hours ago, Slotplayer said:

It is bad enough having to play a low RTP slot but having to hunt for the RTP information is not helping the players. RTP should be clearly shown on the games loading screen so that the player can immediately close the slot down if it is not to their liking. No more hunting within the various option screens where the RTP is shown.

@Push Gaming have got it spot on with this clearly showing the RTP of the game during the loading screen. More providers should take note.
It can be extremely painful trawling through a games sub-menus trying to locate the RTP, almost as if it's purposely made difficult to find! 👀

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On 02/01/2022 at 01:08, dirtystack said:

I dispute that it is down to the fact they would make a make a loss if they ran the higher RTP versions - if that were true then they why do they run the games from other providers with over 96% RTP 

I believe PlaynGo is using their clout to demand a higher profit share and offering the adjustable RTP as a way to offset the increased cost(and also increase their profit share)

Milking as much as they can while at the top - I hope they wither away. They will probably continue lowering their RTP to compensate without considering that it will turn people off.

 

"I dispute that it is down to the fact they would make a make a loss if they ran the higher RTP versions". This is true in some jurisdictions and false in others. Germany has a 5.x% something turnover tax, which means that unless that RTP is set below 95%, the casino cannot make a profit. Other jurisdictions where the tax is based on revenue, a lower RTP is not required to make a profit but most operators are doing this regardless.

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