promoting gambling on twitch / youtube same as promoting alcohol, tobacco...?

[Jadnici]

Do you guys think that gambling on these platforms should not be allowed?

Since something like promoting alcohol and tobbaco is I guess forbiden. 

 

[explorer]

I doubt you'll find many opposed to casino streaming on a casino streaming forum. Also, there are plenty of alcohol and cigar channels on YouTube, and alcohol advertising is permitted on TV in most countries. There is, of course, a line between responsible and irresponsible promotion, and there should perhaps be some regulation, but a blanket ban on gambling videos/streams makes no sense as long as there's alcohol and gambling advertising all over the place in traditional media and sport.

[dublinjay]

[Original Jase]

We're all adults. We don't need a jurisdiction to tell us what we can and can't watch if it's legal. It's up to ourselves if we want to watch gambling since we're able to make a decision ourselves if we do or don't want to watch anything right? If someone doesn't like gambling streams then don't watch. It really is that simple 😀

[Gee_Bee1]

11 hours ago, Jadnici said:

Do you guys think that gambling on these platforms should not be allowed?

Since something like promoting alcohol and tobbaco is I guess forbiden. 

 

Well promotion of alcohol certainly isn't banned in many places. 

Problem lies with the lax/zero jurisdiction the MGA let's most streamers operate under. 

Soon we will have a million euro bonus hunt and they are their casinos let it happen. 

It's funny how every other country in Europe has done something apart from the island which economy benefits greatly from the market. 

Not saying there isn't people abiding by some sort self control but alot aren't 

4 hours ago, Homer Spinson said:

We're all adults. We don't need a jurisdiction to tell us what we can and can't watch if it's legal. It's up to ourselves if we want to watch gambling since we're able to make a decision ourselves if we do or don't want to watch anything right? If someone doesn't like gambling streams then don't watch. It really is that simple 😀

There is legal and morally bankrupt though the same jurisdiction that allows Kim to stream allows Poshstien and others to operate too. 

 

[Original Jase]

On 19/11/2020 at 10:58, Gee_Bee1 said:

 There is legal and morally bankrupt though the same jurisdiction that allows Kim to stream allows Poshstien and others to operate too. 

The creater of this thread asked if it should be allowed promoting gambling on streaming platforms so my reply is to him. We're all adults and able to decide what we can and can't watch without anyone telling us we can or can't. It's not illegal to gamble , stream it, promote it or watch it so I'm easily able to decide myself if I want to watch. If I don't like what I see I won't watch. This is my opinion anyway

[NickG]

On 19/11/2020 at 07:50, Homer Spinson said:

We're all adults. We don't need a jurisdiction to tell us what we can and can't watch if it's legal. It's up to ourselves if we want to watch gambling since we're able to make a decision ourselves if we do or don't want to watch anything right? If someone doesn't like gambling streams then don't watch. It really is that simple 😀

It's not as simple as that. You have psychology to consider and you have no control on who is watching. It could be 12 year olds and there brains work a bit different then an adults brain.

 

Indirectly your influencing people and in the era of influencers you as the influencer should take the responsability to promote social correct behaviour, it's part of the job. This is the reason why Neil Degrasse Ttyson for example directly debunks idiot rappers who are saying that the earth is flat. 

Gambling has never been or will be a social correct behaviour. 

 

[Slotspinner]

12 minutes ago, NickG said:

It's not as simple as that. You have psychology to consider and you have no control on who is watching. It could be 12 year olds and there brains work a bit different then an adults brain.

 

Indirectly your influencing people and in the era of influencers you as the influencer should take the responsability to promote social correct behaviour, it's part of the job. This is the reason why Neil Degrasse Ttyson for example directly debunks idiot rappers who are saying that the earth is flat. 

Gambling has never been or will be a social correct behaviour. 

 

I always say the same regarding this topic, if there is a feeling/need to stop any of this you shouldnt go ahead and bash legit streamers of gambling but instead should root for governments outright banning gambling altogether. 

Streamers are not the root problem if you view it as such, but the core itself which is gambling. As long as gambling in generell is not prohibited, imo streamers shouldnt be either unless theyre obviously hard misleading and playing pretentionfunds. If you disagree im open to hear your statement on it!

[NickG]

5 minutes ago, Slotspinner said:

I always say the same regarding this topic, if there is a feeling/need to stop any of this you shouldnt go ahead and bash legit streamers of gambling but instead should root for governments outright banning gambling altogether. 

Streamers are not the root problem if you view it as such, but the core itself which is gambling. As long as gambling in generell is not prohibited, imo streamers shouldnt be either unless theyre obviously hard misleading and playing pretentionfunds. If you disagree im open to hear your statement on it!

True but that is an uphill fight that will take decades still. To be fair i don't think it's a fight that can be won, not in a capitalistic world. The reveneus are to big.

 

So what can we do in the meantime?

[NeWbZs]

2 hours ago, NickG said:

Gambling has never been or will be a social correct behaviour. 

That’s an opinion and not a fact. If you want to have a discussion please don’t use false arguments we might be gamblers but we are not stupid.

[slotsofun]

6 hours ago, NickG said:

True but that is an uphill fight that will take decades still. To be fair i don't think it's a fight that can be won, not in a capitalistic world. The reveneus are to big.

 

So what can we do in the meantime?

You're viewing gambling from the point of a non-entertaining value and that is why your point if views are skewed.  Take Alcohol for example, Alcohol is a social/entertainment drink, which under correct use is a valuable asset for tax revenue and to the economy. It also has an age limit which (for most countries) is the same as gambling/smoking regulatory age. Kids/Teenagers see their parents take part in this ritualistic consumption whilst growing up, much the same as they would see their parents smoking whilst growing up, and probably gambling too. So, what you going to do about that? You can't do anything in reality....the costs to ANY economy in banning these things is frightening. 

Teenagers drink and smoke well before it is legal for them to do so, that is human nature. They see sexual content and watch violent movies before it is legal for them to do so. All part of growing up. You're trying to bubble wrap the world from something that is probably in the range of 1% of all explicit or age related content on youtube/twitch? I see you really want to make a change to the world 😆.

One thing you could do is sort out your spelling and punctuation, it gave me a headache. Think kids need protection from seeing anything you type out. 

[NickG]

7 hours ago, NeWbZs said:

That’s an opinion and not a fact. If you want to have a discussion please don’t use false arguments we might be gamblers but we are not stupid.

Gambling is now a well-recognised public health issue costing 100's of millions in healthcare. I beg to differ.

[Original Jase]

@NickG   "You have psychology to consider and you have no control on who is watching. It could be 12 year olds and there brains work a bit different then an adults brain"

It's not the streamers fault if someone under the age of 18 watches, that's up to the platform. And u could say the same for violence in a video game, or even a clip from a film showing a murder on YouTube - that's illegal and way worse for a child to see in my opinion. I do agree age gating needs to be implemented and YouTube have started to age gate gambling streams. Hopefully twitch will follow. At the end of the day, gambling can be fun and promoted in a sensible way and if u don't like what u see, just don't watch. 

[NickG]

2 hours ago, slotsofun said:

You're viewing gambling from the point of a non-entertaining value and that is why your point if views are skewed.  Take Alcohol for example, Alcohol is a social/entertainment drink, which under correct use is a valuable asset for tax revenue and to the economy. It also has an age limit which (for most countries) is the same as gambling/smoking regulatory age. Kids/Teenagers see their parents take part in this ritualistic consumption whilst growing up, much the same as they would see their parents smoking whilst growing up, and probably gambling too. So, what you going to do about that? You can't do anything in reality....the costs to ANY economy in banning these things is frightening. 

Teenagers drink and smoke well before it is legal for them to do so, that is human nature. They see sexual content and watch violent movies before it is legal for them to do so. All part of growing up. You're trying to bubble wrap the world from something that is probably in the range of 1% of all explicit or age related content on youtube/twitch? I see you really want to make a change to the world 😆.

One thing you could do is sort out your spelling and punctuation, it gave me a headache. Think kids need protection from seeing anything you type out. 

Nice final sentence very orignal also.

 

I don't know the stance of other countries but In holland the goverment is going all-in on getting rid of smoking because the health care costs are starting to outweigh the tax revenues. There angle in doing this is by banning it from public spaces and changing the publics oppinion about smoking. It seems to be working although it is going slowly. I'm a smoker but at some places you just don't smoke because of the weird faces that will be pointing towards you.

 

Gambling addictions are on the rise also and this is slowly putting stress on the healthcare system. It is a form of entertainment yes but it is a dangerous one that is costing tax payers money. Twitch should add an age restriction on this content for starters just like you need to show ID at a liquor or cigar store when the seller has doubts. Now it's all up to the streamers and that would be fine if everyone informed there players like slotspinner but there not. Instead it's higher stakes, higher wins and the reality of gambling getting skewed with the minute.

 

Tell me why on earth roshtein is still able to stream on twitch? Is it just because it has not been proven yet?

20 minutes ago, Homer Spinson said:

At the end of the day, gambling can be fun and promoted in a sensible way. 

That's the kicker for me right there. Perhaps the platforms should do more in making sure that this is uphold? 

[NeWbZs]

42 minutes ago, NickG said:

Gambling is now a well-recognised public health issue costing 100's of millions in healthcare. I beg to differ.

You are confusing gambling and addiction. Two different things. Gambling made the public millions.

[kapisevicius]

13 hours ago, NickG said:

Gambling is now a well-recognised public health issue costing 100's of millions in healthcare. I beg to differ.

Firstly, gamblers and gambling companies pay in taxes to cover that costs. Secondly, streamers are small part of the "problem", everyone encourages to gambling: journalists, players, clubs (it is sick how many sportsbooks sponsor sport clubs) etc. As @Slotspinner said, if you want to "fix" this problem, you have to ban gambling completely. And it will give you nothing because people would still gamble, just illegally.