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1 hour ago, EverythingSportsPro said:

Slotplayer your view got some merit but were the issue then is the streamer wants you to lose coz then he or she makes money cpa is a one off sign up you get ur commission and thats it its REV Share thats gone and make the BANDIT look bad his 120k profit so he can wipe out his 90K losses on the back of others loses is wrong 

Once I have referred the player to a casino, I can't make him deposit more.

Responsible gamblers accept that once they make a deposit they should consider it lost. All that Rev Share does is that this money that is accepted as lost by the gambler is shared between the affiliate and the casino rather than it 100% going into the casinos pocket.

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52 minutes ago, EverythingSportsPro said:

point taken but still show Rev Share is not right to earn of other players losses is not right until someone show me that Rev share is fair then i am going to have issue with it 

Rev Share (and CPA for that matter) is not right if you are to send a gambler to a casino under false pretence.

No legitimate streamer tells their audience that they can make a profit playing slots. All of them go out of their way to make this clear.

The gambler was fully prepared to have losses when he played at the casino. The money should all be forgotten about. If you don't like the experience of losing money or you don't have the funds for it, then it is time to give up gambling. The affiliate will then stop taking commission.

Ask the majority of gamblers and they couldn't care less that an affiliate takes a slice of the money that they were fully prepared to lose.

And then you always have to choice not to click the link of course. It is pretty simple if you ask me. 

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I want to use Leovegas as an example througout this post. I myself have nothing against Leovegas, nor any their affiliates. Its plain simple just the casino I have the most experience at myself (Therefor the easiest for me to form a post) 


First off all, a casino is a business. Their number one goal is to have you throw as much money at a casino as possible, for them to make as much money as possible. This business involves a-ton of money wich they tend to use for advertisment (To have people to remember their name, to get them to their site, etc)

A casino is intended for entertainment. There is never a guarantee given that you are going to go out of a casina as a "winner". What I like to think when i do my deposits, is that theese 50quids is foreverlost. Just as if you where to be going out for some drinks. 

Leovegas, Rizk, amongst others have very good options for making you stop at the right times. You just have to enable them yourself, and stick to the limits you have set. A casino is not your mother, and is never going to tell you to stop playing. This might seem harsh, but its the hard truth.

Most streamers that i find legit to watch, takes gamble responsibility really seriously. Often they have links to various helpsites, and also informative text etc. And they often encourage to save some of the bigwins that the viewers talk about, or share in forms of images or video for later times.

Alot of people are having a bad time related to gaming, but i dont find it the streamers responsibility to filter out theese people and help them. The streamers is just for entertainment. You have to be able to choose for yourself if its healthy to watch. When you are legally old enough to open accounts on the casinos, you are legal wise stated as old enough to make your own decisions in life. 

If you have paying attention watching lets say "LetsGiveItASpin" you know these guys also go on super cold streaks, and there can be far from each cashout. He do not deny this, or fake it by any measure if things go south.

I would like to state that everyone on this forum as far as i have seen is supportive for people that are open about their problems, there is even an "responsible gaming" underforum where you can litteraly go out and ask for help. I myself think that Casinogrounds, related caso sites and streamers do their outmost best to help people.

More measures can always be taken,  but its just out of their controll over the ones taken IMO.

 

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6 minutes ago, EverythingSportsPro said:

could well be right GEE but if you tube can feed them a way to gamble then why cant you tube be a place for people to hit hat lose button and join a live stream and talk to others and maybe just maybe there not gamble right there and then 

its no different to seeing beers adverts on TV on sport etc what about someone who's an alcoholic and sees that non stop its no different you cant moddy coddle the internet, you can search on youtube people drinking beers people downing pints of vodka whiskey etc.

this issue seems to be close to you so i understand and dont mock it but sadly unless people are able to break the cycle and get help they are going to gamble regardless streams or not youtube or not.

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4 hours ago, EverythingSportsPro said:

could well be right GEE but if you tube can feed them a way to gamble then why cant you tube be a place for people to hit hat lose button and join a live stream and talk to others and maybe just maybe there not gamble right there and then 

Well a live slot stream is not the right medium to discuss that for the following reasons:

(1) A problem gambler should really not be watching any gambling related material on Youtube

(2) The streamer is not able to reply. You did a live stream yourself and I noticed you were struggling to keep up with chat and you only had 20 viewers at the most. Can you imagine running a stream with hundreds of viewers?

(3) Even if you don't want the streamer to participate, you are going to have people that want to watch slots getting pissed off reading about what is to them irrelevant stuff and then the chaos ensues in the chat room.

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Slotplayer this was my first stream live and as i show i was having major issue with audio i am no full time streamer just working with the equipment i have and trying to bring people together and i think i did that chat was always going to be busy first time out but having rocknroller there show he was interested enough to come along without being asked too 

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2 minutes ago, EverythingSportsPro said:

Slotplayer this was my first stream live and as i show i was having major issue with audio i am no full time streamer just working with the equipment i have and trying to bring people together and i think i did that chat was always going to be busy first time out but having rocknroller there show he was interested enough to come along without being asked too 

It wasn't meant as a criticism. You did very well for your first stream.

What I was attempting to make clear was that running a stream is not as easy as people make it out to be. Keeping up with chat is not easy the best of times, even after having had extensive streaming experience.

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5 minutes ago, EverythingSportsPro said:

Slotplayer its crazy i wont scare off easy so <removed> bring it on police involved now 

Steady on and calm down.

Even Ryan said on your channel he isn't sure who it was. You may want to edit your post and if you can't get a moderator to remove the name that you mentioned.

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i thank all that took time to read and even post on this feed and last night stream was great and big streamers did also join in so my thanks go to them what happened after it ended just disgust me but some people ill be total nob jockeys but it wont stop the movement things are happening now i will be re streaming next tuesday i need to speak with few other streamers and see what response i get and i will air there answers 

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18 minutes ago, EverythingSportsPro said:

i thank all that took time to read and even post on this feed and last night stream was great and big streamers did also join in so my thanks go to them what happened after it ended just disgust me but some people ill be total nob jockeys but it wont stop the movement things are happening now i will be re streaming next tuesday i need to speak with few other streamers and see what response i get and i will air there answers 

It would help that collectively you make up your minds what you want.

From watching the stream it is not entirely clear. Some want all affiliation banned, some want just Rev Share banned, some want the Rev Share to be disclosed etc.

I can't speak for all streamers, but if you don't make it clear what you're after, then how can we help?

Leave out all the bullshit (because that is what it was) about moderators in chat channels. It has no relevance to the subject at hand.

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slotplayer somethings were talked about last night was people airing there thoughts and i did have a good chat with Paul Rocknrolla and will continue to keep this line of commucation open with him via twitch re mods and nightbot etc i am currently taking request from people of things they want me to take to differnet streamers and have a chat with them about so i will update everyone when that is concluded thanks again for your support and visit to the stream last night 

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14 minutes ago, EverythingSportsPro said:

slotplayer somethings were talked about last night was people airing there thoughts and i did have a good chat with Paul Rocknrolla and will continue to keep this line of commucation open with him via twitch re mods and nightbot etc i am currently taking request from people of things they want me to take to differnet streamers and have a chat with them about so i will update everyone when that is concluded thanks again for your support and visit to the stream last night 

Paul,

I explained up topic why live slot streams are not the correct medium to discuss problem gambling or how the streamer earns their money or if that is morally correct.

Moderators are just doing their job to enforce the rules of the house so to speak.

They are doing exactly what you did towards the end of your stream by asking the lady that was in the room to stop swearing because you don't like swearing on your stream.

In terms of the bot, quite a lot of streams have this already set to display responsible gambling messages every 5 minutes. One particular participant on your stream was accusing me of displaying the sign up link every 5 minutes but he failed to notice the responsible gambling message displayed every 5 minutes too or the link to this forum every 5 minutes. It helps to sometimes put the rose tinted glasses off and do proper research before making statements that are not quite correct.

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I was editing my last post to add something but I couldn't.

During the stream and other discussions elsewhere you totally ignored the biggest channel that pushes the links the hardest. It appears that you are picking on certain streamers but totally ignoring all of the other channels.

My suggestion is to stop mentioning individual channels (but use them as examples only if you want to explain a point) if your aim is to improve it Youtube / Twitch wide rather than it as seen as picking on certain individual streamers.

And what about those that steal Youtube and Twich content and then re-stream it as their own with their own links? Why no mention of those?

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I think people should take responsibility for their own money / gambling . It's not a streamer's problem if you can't control your gambling . Casinos WANT you to lose ... obviously . That's the only reason they exist . If you want to be mad at something then be mad at the casinos but better yet don't play on them or just play with small amounts of money that won't upset you if you lose.

What you need to understand is it's not just about getting signups . Do you think casinos really want 100 players who will deposit £20 and take their bonus and their freespins and all the enticements and then either cashout or lose their money and never play again ? There is a QUALITY of player (from the casino's perspective) . If a streamer can bring in players who deposit and lose large amounts then that's obviously more valuable to the casino and therefore the streamer gets paid a higher commission on bringing in those players 

One player will cry about losing his last £50 and another can deposit £500 , lose and not be bothered . Obviously the second type of player is much more valuable to the casino. So these people moaning that the streamers get paid from their losses well duh.. the casinos get paid from your losses . The streamer gets rewarded more for bringing in more valuable customers just like any salesman

If you look past the bs you have to accept that casinos are there to make money and the way they make money is from players making deposits and losing their money . Doesn't matter how many responsible gaming "measures" they have on their site . If you're losing a lot of money to them then you are a good customer - end of story

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