Analyzing Crazy Time data

[Stevej]

I finally got some Crazy Time data and analyzed it. Few interesting details showed up. One of them is the topslot multipliers & wheel results. Data is from the last 47000 spins (about one month). 

Wheel results with top slot multiplier 25x or 50x

Number 1
20 Apr 2021 0:52:35 - 25X, Winners : 803
20 Apr 2021 1:48:31 - 25X, Winners : 424
20 Apr 2021 5:17:38 - 25X, Winners : 348
20 Apr 2021 11:14:16 - 25X, Winners : 373
20 Apr 2021 18:18:13 - 50X, Winners : 652
21 Apr 2021 22:39:52 - 25X, Winners : 853
23 Apr 2021 14:46:54 - 50X, Winners : 469
24 Apr 2021 7:17:10 - 25X, Winners : 328
25 Apr 2021 0:57:0 - 25X, Winners : 1097
25 Apr 2021 20:17:9 - 25X, Winners : 1129
25 Apr 2021 20:57:31 - 25X, Winners : 725
26 Apr 2021 6:39:5 - 50X, Winners : 419
28 Apr 2021 3:49:56 - 25X, Winners : 546
28 Apr 2021 6:5:41 - 25X, Winners : 300
28 Apr 2021 8:44:26 - 25X, Winners : 488
28 Apr 2021 22:23:54 - 25X, Winners : 1210
28 Apr 2021 23:23:10 - 25X, Winners : 1223
1 May 2021 8:59:39 - 50X, Winners : 484
1 May 2021 13:44:8 - 25X, Winners : 507
2 May 2021 1:5:45 - 50X, Winners : 1213
3 May 2021 2:42:55 - 25X, Winners : 879
3 May 2021 4:42:40 - 25X, Winners : 567
3 May 2021 17:40:1 - 25X, Winners : 932
4 May 2021 3:0:20 - 50X, Winners : 586
5 May 2021 11:20:10 - 25X, Winners : 631
5 May 2021 17:51:55 - 25X, Winners : 810
5 May 2021 22:17:19 - 25X, Winners : 1613
6 May 2021 17:36:52 - 50X, Winners : 1526
7 May 2021 9:8:29 - 25X, Winners : 683
9 May 2021 23:55:31 - 50X, Winners : 1691
10 May 2021 8:32:34 - 25X, Winners : 570
10 May 2021 12:38:28 - 50X, Winners : 607
10 May 2021 15:10:36 - 25X, Winners : 935
11 May 2021 0:14:43 - 25X, Winners : 1373
11 May 2021 13:20:20 - 25X, Winners : 688
11 May 2021 15:10:29 - 25X, Winners : 1049
12 May 2021 1:22:43 - 25X, Winners : 1353
12 May 2021 5:46:16 - 25X, Winners : 708
13 May 2021 0:59:11 - 50X, Winners : 1824
13 May 2021 4:34:34 - 25X, Winners : 795
14 May 2021 15:43:17 - 25X, Winners : 1252
15 May 2021 6:3:23 - 25X, Winners : 466
15 May 2021 13:39:29 - 25X, Winners : 706
16 May 2021 12:48:58 - 25X, Winners : 605
17 May 2021 11:41:28 - 50X, Winners : 844
17 May 2021 20:17:30 - 50X, Winners : 1174
17 May 2021 21:20:39 - 25X, Winners : 1697

Number 2
20 Apr 2021 12:55:25 - 25X, Winners : 486
21 Apr 2021 0:37:33 - 25X, Winners : 1188
21 Apr 2021 15:47:52 - 50X, Winners : 896
24 Apr 2021 2:32:52 - 25X, Winners : 1449
24 Apr 2021 11:34:49 - 25X, Winners : 724
26 Apr 2021 2:55:6 - 50X, Winners : 1211
27 Apr 2021 21:51:35 - 25X, Winners : 1526
28 Apr 2021 2:32:51 - 50X, Winners : 1008
29 Apr 2021 3:20:30 - 25X, Winners : 547
29 Apr 2021 21:17:42 - 25X, Winners : 1254
30 Apr 2021 2:48:14 - 25X, Winners : 1450
1 May 2021 18:25:25 - 25X, Winners : 870
2 May 2021 18:50:54 - 25X, Winners : 965
3 May 2021 4:11:4 - 50X, Winners : 678
7 May 2021 17:22:51 - 25X, Winners : 1349
8 May 2021 12:20:53 - 25X, Winners : 749
9 May 2021 5:8:34 - 25X, Winners : 1223
9 May 2021 9:38:31 - 25X, Winners : 857
9 May 2021 18:7:36 - 25X, Winners : 1009
10 May 2021 17:22:2 - 25X, Winners : 1478
10 May 2021 19:28:16 - 25X, Winners : 1575
11 May 2021 10:47:38 - 50X, Winners : 893
11 May 2021 13:22:38 - 50X, Winners : 895
12 May 2021 3:29:41 - 50X, Winners : 1474
13 May 2021 4:55:57 - 25X, Winners : 1749
14 May 2021 14:33:16 - 25X, Winners : 1326
15 May 2021 5:18:32 - 50X, Winners : 783
15 May 2021 23:36:5 - 25X, Winners : 2254
16 May 2021 18:59:12 - 25X, Winners : 1646
17 May 2021 13:30:42 - 50X, Winners : 1167

Number 5
23 Apr 2021 12:19:45 - 25X, Winners : 535
25 Apr 2021 7:49:12 - 25X, Winners : 480
5 May 2021 20:50:33 - 25X, Winners : 1827
13 May 2021 21:7:41 - 25X, Winners : 1386

Number 10
28 Apr 2021 10:18:23 - 25X, Winners : 736

Cash Hunt
6 May 2021 0:9:13 - 50X, Winners : 6132
7 May 2021 23:46:0 - 25X, Winners : 3417
12 May 2021 5:47:53 - 50X, Winners : 1804
16 May 2021 18:47:39 - 50X, Winners : 3342

Pachinco
22 Apr 2021 6:45:53 - 25X, Winners : 1066
9 May 2021 20:45:17 - 25X, Winners : 2707

Coin Flip
8 May 2021 16:55:36 - 50X, Winners : 2702
16 May 2021 0:18:49 - 50X, Winners : 4083
16 May 2021 20:12:28 - 25X, Winners : 2367

Crazy Time
25 Apr 2021 11:50:48 - 25X, Winners : 1017
9 May 2021 5:31:32 - 50X, Winners : 2897
9 May 2021 8:29:11 - 25X, Winners : 2275

 

[Stevej]

Another interesting detail. This game emphasises topslots on certain results like crazy time, clearly. It makes it more addictive. That explains quite many hits in Crazy Time bonus with multis in short period of time. If you play this game - don't play number ten - they've dropped the odds for that.

Topslot appearance:

Number 5
1033 times without multiplier
3828 times with multiplier

Number 10
751 times without multiplier
2878 times with multiplier

Cash Hunt
1184 times without multiplier
4036 times with multiplier

Coin Flip
1171 times without multiplier
3905 times with multiplier

Pachinco
1326 times without multiplier
4742 times with multiplier

Crazy time
1560 times without multiplier
5517 times with multiplier

 

[gypsycream26]

Played this for quite a while , it's not random in any way , shape , or form ,   Cash Hunt for eg , they calculate who has what and what square chosen etc etc before the reveal so they know full well how much they are paying out , for me it's just a fun wheel game and i would only advise small stakes and infrequent visit's to play it rather than play it all day and lose hundreds or thousands.

It really is just your luck if you arrive and are playing at the right time if and when they decide to give a massive win. So many factors involved and even when you get Crazy Time hit you need to be lucky enough to choose the best paying colour !!

 

Should be a random wheel as i said earlier but having played it for a year or so and watching it without betting i am convinced it is all controlled. The same goes for Monopoly and all other wheel games.

[Nobby]

Is it in any way legal to rig it as suggested? Would they actually take the risk if not?

[Stevej]

2 hours ago, gypsycream26 said:

Played this for quite a while , it's not random in any way , shape , or form ,   Cash Hunt for eg , they calculate who has what and what square chosen etc etc before the reveal so they know full well how much they are paying out , for me it's just a fun wheel game and i would only advise small stakes and infrequent visit's to play it rather than play it all day and lose hundreds or thousands.

It really is just your luck if you arrive and are playing at the right time if and when they decide to give a massive win. So many factors involved and even when you get Crazy Time hit you need to be lucky enough to choose the best paying colour !!

 

Should be a random wheel as i said earlier but having played it for a year or so and watching it without betting i am convinced it is all controlled. The same goes for Monopoly and all other wheel games.

Yes, I agree. I've made that mistake in the past. I played it too high stakes and lost lots of money. It's fun game, but super sad it's rigged. I believe all the games are rigged.

I wanted to show these statistics that people would be really careful when playing these games. These machines work with rng's that are highly manipulated. For @Nobby 's question, I believe they are not doing anything illegal. Laws allow them to manipulate these games, or tweak them in their favor, if they will be at least some randomness.

[The Reel Story]

3 hours ago, Nobby said:

Is it in any way legal to rig it as suggested? Would they actually take the risk if not?

No, it's not legal and no, the Casino's do not take that risk (they don't need to. The games make money legally using maths and statistics).

2 hours ago, Stevej said:

Yes, I agree. I've made that mistake in the past. I played it too high stakes and lost lots of money. It's fun game, but super sad it's rigged. I believe all the games are rigged.

I wanted to show these statistics that people would be really careful when playing these games. These machines work with rng's that are highly manipulated. For @Nobby 's question, I believe they are not doing anything illegal. Laws allow them to manipulate these games, or tweak them in their favor, if they will be at least some randomness.

The RNG's are certified as random by independent bodies and any manipulation of the RNG or the game results would indeed be illegal, lose a Casino their license and basically put them out of business. No Casino in a regulated market will take that risk.

All the games work on mathematical models that statistically make money (Crazy Time is no exception). As always, there is no reason to 'rig' the game and take that risk, the game already makes money perfectly legally by having a profitable math model.

All games publish their RTP (which is calculated based on the math model of the game). If a game were to be significantly out from its RTP, the regulator would get involved and check it. So 'rigging' a game would still need to produce a result that met the RTP. If the math model of the game already produces this result normally, what would be the point in rigging it to produce the same result? 🙂

[Stevej]

16 minutes ago, The Reel Story said:

No, it's not legal and no, the Casino's do not take that risk (they don't need to. The games make money legally using maths and statistics).

The RNG's are certified as random by independent bodies and any manipulation of the RNG or the game results would indeed be illegal, lose a Casino their license and basically put them out of business. No Casino in a regulated market will take that risk.

All the games work on mathematical models that statistically make money (Crazy Time is no exception). As always, there is no reason to 'rig' the game and take that risk, the game already makes money perfectly legally by having a profitable math model.

All games publish their RTP (which is calculated based on the math model of the game). If a game were to be significantly out from its RTP, the regulator would get involved and check it. So 'rigging' a game would still need to produce a result that met the RTP. If the math model of the game already produces this result normally, what would be the point in rigging it to produce the same result? 🙂

Their RTP is definitely correct. No doubt about it. But I have to copy my answer from the another post.

People often don't realise that rigging the game has many benefits. The reason is not that they would win anyway so no point for rigging. The real reasons are:

1) Making people to deposit and play more money

2) Making people more addictive in the game

3) Make people think that the bonus / big win must hit soon

They could also multiply their winnings if they avoid certain situations like paying big wins when 9000 players actively playing the game. I'm not saying that they do this, but I'm just talking about the benefits of rigging - and it's not about tweaking the rtp.

[The Reel Story]

1 minute ago, Stevej said:

Their RTP is definitely correct. No doubt about it. But I have to copy my answer from the another post.

People often don't realise that rigging the game has many benefits. The reason is not that they would win anyway so no point for rigging. The real reasons are:

1) Making people to deposit and play more money

2) Making people more addictive in the game

3) Make people think that the bonus / big win must hit soon

They could also multiply their winnings if they avoid certain situations like paying big wins when 9000 players actively playing the game. I'm not saying that they do this, but I'm just talking about the benefits of rigging - and it's not about tweaking the rtp.

Rigging wouldn't achieve any of those things. RTP is calculated across all players. It's the total money staked on the game vs the total paid out. So limiting the big payouts to only when there are less players would simply reduce the RTP.

For points 1), 2) and 3), good math models do the same thing (which is why so much effort is put in to tuning a games math model so that it feels fun to play while still having a sub 100 RTP.) In fact, good maths is the bulk of good game design. A game can be as pretty as you want, but with poor maths it will feel horrible to play.

[Stevej]

3 minutes ago, The Reel Story said:

Rigging wouldn't achieve any of those things. RTP is calculated across all players. It's the total money staked on the game vs the total paid out. So limiting the big payouts to only when there are less players would simply reduce the RTP.

No, I don't think so. RTP for Crazy Time bonus is calculated when you keep on rolling that bonus like 1 billions rounds. They can't model how much players would win/bet in certain times.

By the way, you can see the amount of players of Crazy Time here: https://evotracker.live/

It varies a lot from 1000 players to 9000 players depending of time, or if it's week/weekend.

[The Reel Story]

27 minutes ago, Stevej said:

No, I don't think so. RTP for Crazy Time bonus is calculated when you keep on rolling that bonus like 1 billions rounds. They can't model how much players would win/bet in certain times.

By the way, you can see the amount of players of Crazy Time here: https://evotracker.live/

It varies a lot from 1000 players to 9000 players depending of time, or if it's week/weekend.

Actual RTP is literally calculated with the formula

(Total Payout / Total stake) * 100

So if you only paid out big wins when there were less players, total payout would be lower which would reduce actual rtp lower than the theoretical rtp. 

The theoretical rtp of Crazy Time is calculated for the whole game, not each bonus in isolation. 

 

Edited 18 May, 2021 by The Reel Story

[The Macho Man]

Ive said this before in another thread and ill stand by it. Crazytime is definitely controlled, but the RTP is controlled not necessarily the wheel itself.

if you pay attention the payouts and when they happen you can see a pattern.

My guess is they definitely try and keep the RTP round the 94% or whatever they say it is on a weekly basis.

Some days on crazytime it won't hit anything (yesterday was a good example, they didn't have a crazytime bonus in over 300 spins). Yesterday was really dry. 

Today looks dry too. They are currently 'farming' for a big RTP payout, which usually comes on the weekends from what i noticed (more eyes on a big bonus so it gets more people excited). 

Once the RTP hits a certain point maybe like 80% throughout the week, then crazytime is primed to 'pay' and one of those big multipliers will hit and squirts out a 3-5million dollar win that shoots the RTP back up and the process repeats itself.

They say themselves that crazytime is a slot machine. The only real random thing about it is the wheel spinning, but the top slot can calculate where the wheel will land and decides to give a big payout or not.

[casio]

Tell me one thing, there is Evo who are the game provider and also the company that physically made the game. 

If it was "Rigged" or manipulated what happens if 1 single person for either of those 2 companies: 

• Leaves the company on bad terms 
• Goes to a competitor 
• Leaves the company for any reason 

dont you think by now we would of heard about this from SOMEBODY? 

[The Macho Man]

6 hours ago, casio said:

Tell me one thing, there is Evo who are the game provider and also the company that physically made the game. 

If it was "Rigged" or manipulated what happens if 1 single person for either of those 2 companies: 

• Leaves the company on bad terms 
• Goes to a competitor 
• Leaves the company for any reason 

dont you think by now we would of heard about this from SOMEBODY? 

not that I believe its rigged, but ill play some extreme devils advocate here.

These people are based out of latvia. A pretty poor country... 

They deal with a crap ton of money. The regulations on this stuff? who enforces it? I don't know the details when it comes to that stuff but what if someone found it was rigged, what happens then? they tell the rest of the gambling world and maybe some of the more 'legit' sites and countries ban it? What if that person who is supposed to regulate it is in on it?

What if some schmuck from latvia and this 'regulatory' agency who probably get paid $10 an hour, are paid off? what if they get their own kick backs to give the greenlight to this entire operation?

if history is any indicator, gambling is one of most corrupt industries ever. These guys make so much money and are doing this operation out of... Latvia... maybe that's for a reason. 

When big money is involved corruption is at it's highest. One thing I noticed that is a side note to all this is the interesting 'players' who sometimes randomly join sessions betting large amount of money on certain numbers for X amount of rounds and then leave, they always seem to show up when a bunch of big number multipliers show up. It's also kind of weird how a lot of these names are in russian.

You ever see a host start acting funny when someone starts talking in russian or has a russian name? It's almost like they get worried. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some high level Russian gang / government money laundering going on with that game. These guys come in for 20 rounds, bet tens of thousands, collect the money, leave and then the game goes back to normal.

either way at the end of the day I don't think the wheel itself is rigged, but they can rig everything else about it.

 

[Stevej]

Yeah, I agree. 

And what you can see from my statistics - they don't lie - the most common topslot symbol is Crazy Time (except number 1 and 2) and it usually hits with some multiplier. That's the fact. Good for players, or is it?

Somebody told here in the forums that the probability of getting CT with 50x multiplier is 1:10000000 (or something like that, sorry I don't remember the number), that's not true because the topslot result is emphasized to CT bonus. The probability is way higher. Good for players, or is it?

[kenanth]

The biggest scam of this century, for sure.

They seem to be paying out those big amounts when there is <1000 players online, usually in morning time (CEST).

I have made bank the last couple of months with only betting only 1-2 when there are over 1000-1200 players in CT.