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It's actually very easy to avoid the parasitic ones, specifically like the only one you promote. But you are exclusively promoting one shitty crypto casino. I don't care what you want to do with your money. It's your money. They very well likely do pay out. All of the crypto casinos pretty much do. That doesn't mean that you're not a piece of shit for coming onto a platform pushing affiliate links. I don't need to go into detail as to why the promotion of these sites is disgusting. The conversation has been had enough times by now. As said, if you bothered to read my post. It is very relevant to the discussion when you want to talk about a casino exhibiting a specific negative behaviour towards their customer base, yet you're affiliating the worst kind of casino to people, for the reasons we all know. You can't tell me to stay on topic, when you bring up the topic, and exhibit behaviour that directly contradicts the point you're trying to make. This is coming from the person who states that 'land based casino games have no RTP' 😂 That is honestly the most stupid thing I've heard all year. You're in no position to say that anything sounds retarded for the rest of your life. Sure, as stated. I started out as a croupier. I now consult to a number of different online casinos and game providers on everything from game design, player retention, market trends, compliance (including audits), and everything in-between. But, I don't see the point you're making. If you're trying to question my credentials, you're welcome to some kind evidence. After all, I wouldn't believe some guy on the internet on any topic without some kind of proof. But, at least I clearly know what I'm talking about mate.

I can assure you, I am neither 'jalous', or jealous. 👀 What are people meant to be jealous of Jeroen? The trashy bits of JavaScript that someone on Fiverr could design better for $5? Or the few bucks in affiliate commission you generate from trying to exploit gamblers into signing up to the one and only unregulated, shady, casino you're promoting? As for the transparency of your website, it's clear to anyone who clicks on the link and visit's the website what transparency there is, or in your case, lack thereof. 🙂 I've also bothered with the in-depth subject that's going on too. I'd like to think I've added some valuable points to the discussion using some logic, professional experience, industry knowledge, and facts that are available for anyone on the internet to be able to verify. I don't quite know what 'zero ranted' facts are.. 😁 CasinoGrounds might not be for you though man. Here, we don't like those parasitic streamers like the joke that 'Ayzee' you're affiliating with. We don't particularly like unregulated, crypto casinos with worthless licences that pray on problematic gamblers, and the people that especially promote and benefit from them. I wouldn't have even brought up your choice to participate in your crypto casino affiliation or whatever your website is supposed to be, but when you're here talking about 'no one giving a shit other than the returning players spunking their money' in the same breath. C'mon man. Don't throw stones when you live in glass houses. The pot calling the kettle black. Take your pick of idiom that is relevant to the situation.. 😅

The 'so called' industry huh.. 😂 Let me know when you find those people in the industry that have zero to no understanding of how online works! As for me, I've worked in land based casinos for many years, and also worked with some of the most popular online casinos and game providers on a freelance and consultant basis. Perhaps even the ones being mentioned in this topic! But hey, what do I know. Right? 🙂🙄 'Evidence'? Okayyyyyyyy... 👀 Well, duh? You are stating the extremely obvious. I don't see what this point is adding to the conversation. Casinos both land based and online are extremely transparent that the odds are not in your favour when playing. Yes they do! Again, you're stating the obvious. So does McDonalds. What point are you getting at? 🤔 Jesus Christ 😂 Are you really going to sit here and spew off nonsense about players spunking off money when you're literally advertising affiliate links to unregulated crypto casinos that specifically exploit problem gamblers on the same forum? Get outta' here man. I don't even want to entertain you. 👋

Time will surely tell.. 👀 For sure! Pragmatic currently have a long way to go but could certainly become a serious competitor in the Live Casino section. I think they key for them will be to hire some super creative game designers, to come up with a unique game that isn't just a rip off of an existing one, making it super volatile, and marketing it properly. They'll have to chuck millions into it, but they could do it with the right people. Don't even get me started 😂 I honestly even tried to consider what on Earth lead him to having that thought process, but I was losing brain cells rapidly, and gave up.

Sure! I'm actually looking forward to seeing the data. I've got to give you credit that you are collecting a sample and looking at it somewhat objectively too. Okay, but then people also regularly deposit and lose way more than they can afford to do on sports betting, slots, bingo, poker, and many other game types. Yes, it is the most popular product at the moment. I get many other providers looking for my consulting services asking how they can compete with Evo and make something like CT as they all realise how much of a cash cow it is. My general response is that for the money it will take to create, it won't be able to compete in the market as Evo dominate it, so don't bother. But, it honestly isn't rigged or manipulated. As a business, evaluating the levels of risk is essential. If everything is not 100% above board, then the risk is that your brand will lose its licence, never be able to trade again, have to refund millions upon millions in wagers, pay millions upon millions again in fines, and lose all confidence with its players and shareholders. It's not logical to put an already extremely profitable business at risk of bankruptcy and criminal proceedings for some extra profit. Evolution spends an amount you wouldn't believe to ensure that all of their live games are completely above board and nobody can ever turn around and have a legitimate case against them for manipulation. One of the top expenses, if not the top, for them year on year, is for the compliance and risk department. They don't want to get it wrong, because they understand the consequences of getting it wrong, intentionally, or unintentionally. Evolution became a billion dollar company because that have invested a lot of money, a lot of hours, marketed effectively, offered unique products, been the first to market with those products, have a fantastic understanding of the gambling industry, have some extremely intelligent people working for them, plus many other factors. All it would take it one disgruntled employee, to blow the whistle. One employee who knows how much financial gain they could make from exposing them. There hasn't been and there never will be as everything is legit. As the largest and most popular provider out there, they are under the spotlight more than anyone else when it comes to compliance.

😂😂😂 A little logic applied and you spit your dummy out, huh? You do realise that it's the online casino that pays out, and not the provider, right? So, if what you're saying could potentially happen, is happening, that would leave drastic differences in profit/loss for every single online casino using Evo as a provider. So, do they even it out and give every casino a 'fair share' of the rigging? Or, what? The more you look into it as a possibility, the more and more ridiculous it becomes. Again, there is no such thing as a specific number that is the best theoretical outcome for profit or loss as it's not the provider paying out. Each individual online casino using Evo for that spin will differ on which number would be the most profitable or the biggest loss depending on what numbers the players at that particular casino are betting on. So again, logic applied, and your theory is redundant. Yes, I do have experience with the auditing process. The games undergo thorough vetting and auditing before release, and during the life cycle of the game. Are you serious? This just shows how much you don't actually understand RTP, or anything to do with what you're talking about. Of fucking course land based casinos have, and advertise RTP! It's actually a legal requirement for them to display the RTP and house edge of each game clearly on a leaflet readily available inside the casino premises, usually located by the cash desk. I can't even continue to try and have an intelligent debate with you when you're under the assumption that a land based casino game 'doesn't have an RTP'. 😂 👋 Neither pal! I just use a bit of logic and common sense! You should take off the tin foil hat and try it sometime. It's great! Actually, no. It's not. Super unlikely. But not 'against the physics'. I may be interested in your data sample and be willing to discuss it, if the data was independently verified, which it is not. It's a pet project of someone who is bias toward one scenario. But you've just answered your own question as to why they really, really don't need to manipulate or 'rig' the games. They already generate a ridiculous amount of money. Do you think they would be willing to risk that by getting caught, and putting their whole brand and reputation at risk? It's not good business, and believe me, these providers and casinos know all about good business and how to make money.

Sure, this specific scenario may be extremely rare, but not impossible. But 'strange' things happen far more often than you would think. Of course there is the possibility that the ball just happened to land there between the numbers and get stuck. The ball physically can land in-between the numbers. Moreover, centrifugal force with the wheel spinning makes it far more likely to stay in place. Go ahead a flip a coin an infinite number of times, even though its a million to one shot, you will eventually get a result that is neither heads, nor tails, because the coin will land directly on its side without falling over. It's the same principal. Extremely unlikely, but, these things happen when you do something over, and over again enough times. -- The most important part though, is that the casino simply doesn't give a fuck where the ball lands. They don't care how much or how little they pay out over a particular spin. Because over the lifetime of the game, they will profit. Why would they manipulate it? No matter what result they manipulate, they will end up paying someone out for that spin. Have I seen this specific scenario? Yes, actually. The ball has landed directly between two numbers. I was perplexed, asked the floor manager what to do, and it was just a no-spin. He said this without a second thought and just briefly laughed. I've seen things that are even stranger than this. So, you can not be 'sure' that I, or anyone else hasn't. No matter how unlikely. Yes? Activating the pressurised air will release the ball from the position it is stuck in? I don't see the point you're making? I'm not suggesting that someone probably benefited from it. I'm certain someone benefited from it. So you're saying that over all the online casino's that use Evolution as a provider, and all the players playing at any particular moment in time, they calculate which result is going to pay out the least and 'rig' it accordingly? I don't even want to get started on that, as this reply is long enough already. But please, just apply a little logic and common sense. It would be super easy to prove that if it was the case. The regulatory bodies regularly evaluate things like this to ensure fairness. Not to mention the logistics of how these games actually operate and being able to implement that over a spin-by-spin basis would be insane. No, you don't have any evidence, and you nor anyone else will never have it. Because it's simply not rigged. If you can't understand simple maths and probability, then that's your issue and you shouldn't be playing these games. Every one of your theories, because that's all they are, are completely unfounded. If you want the data sample, go and ask the providers for them, they will happily give it to you, or even better, conduct an experiment yourself to put what you claim to the test. No one ever said that I think everything in the world is fair. I know that better than most. But I also know that these live games from reputable operators are positively not influenced in any way. That's because again, they don't need to be. The amount of profit the generate operating within the advertised RTP is astronomical enough already. It doesn't help much? Okay, so the next time you want expert advice on how something operates in any niche, I would recommend that you go for someone with no industry experience or knowledge in the field. When you want advice on how to get your car repaired, don't go to the mechanic with years of experience. 🙂 Of course the gaming industry changes all the time. Just like any industry, it has to change and evolve to keep up and stay relevant. Again, I don't see what this adds to your statement. Actually, I regularly contribute to game design for a number of different providers as a consultant. For me to be able to perform my role, I have to have an extremely thorough understanding of how everything in the games operate. I am both a heavy gambler as well as having the perspective from the other side of the table. Believe me when I say I would be the first person to post all over the internet, and report to the gaming commission and regulators, to expose anything shady, untoward or simply unfair that I came across. Even if I had a suspicion, I would call it out. -- I can reply to each and every one of your replies with some sound logic, some simple maths and probability, and some common sense. If you genuinely think that these games, or any others are manipulated in any way, you should file a report with the MGA, the UKGC and every other reputable authority. They will conduct a thorough investigation if you can provide any basis on why you believe the games are manipulated and provide you with the outcome of the investigation. Until that point, it's like banging my head against the wall. 🙄

Hey, ex croupier with 10+ years experience in the gaming industry here.. 👋 So, I'm positively going to tell you that there are 100% not magnets, and no, I do not need to get myself checked. Some funky things happen on the roulette wheel all the time, and they look super unnatural and seem to defy the laws of physics. But, they are in fact perfectly natural and normal. The way these auto roulette wheels work is pressurised air. You can hear the air grabbing the ball before every spin. It's the exact same technology you will find in the majority of land based casinos that offer auto-roulette without a croupier spinning the ball. But, I've seen just as funky things happen, if not more funky on a regular, perfectly balanced roulette wheel with a croupier spinning the ball. When you introduce a bouncy roulette ball spinning at high velocity, dropping into a wheel spinning the opposite direction, seemingly strange things happen. I would see something that seemed to defy physics at least once every shift. I would be more inclined to say that the live games are rigged if things like this didn't happen from time to time. You've also got to remember that whatever result was from the spin that looks strange, is that someone playing at the time likely benefited from it, even if you did not. Again, it's time to take off the tin foil hats and screaming that everything is rigged without any evidence or data to backup your claims. We've gone into detail time and time again as to why casinos and game providers don't need to do this, and it would be more harmful than beneficial to them.

Get in! Hope you took it to straight to cashout-land my man! 👏

You say this, but what evidence or data do you have to back up your claim? If you would like me to go into the fine details of why 'rigging RTP' for a streamer would be near impossible between the online casino, game provider and streamers account, I'll gladly go into detail with an extremely long winded and boring post with an explanation of how slots work. You seem to be confusing what RTP actually is, and your perspective of seeing streamers hitting large wins in excess of 2000x, or whatever. All you're remembering is the big wins. If you actually look at the profit/loss of the vast majority of sessions, you will see that even streamers lose more than they win. That's even with deposit bonus' too which give streamers a huge edge in comparison to the regular player. Well, yes? If you was to put as many spins through a slot machine playing daily as most streamers do, it would be extremely unlikely that anyone would not hit a slot win in excess of 5000x. I don't see what point you're trying to make? That is basic maths and probability. Because in most countries, gambling regulations would prevent them from streaming as much as they are able to do in Malta. Plus, taxes are better in Malta. You can bonus buy in Malta. They're not required to submit ridiculous source of wealth declarations in Malta. There are many legitimate reasons why I too would choose to move to Malta if I was a streamer. I hit a 35000x on my fourth ever Dead or Alive 2 Feature Buy. By the same logic, are you saying that slots are rigged for me too? Or, perhaps it's just random.. -- Seriously though, the risk to reward ratio for casinos, streamers and game providers far outweighs what benefit they would gain by rigging anything. They don't need to do. They get more than enough promotion and exposure without doing so. There is a very logical explanation for each and every one of your tin foil hat theories, whereas there simply isn't any evidence, data, or example you can show for what you're claiming. It's honestly so simple. Basic maths and probability. Once you understand them properly and stop letting your confirmation bias get in the way, it's very easy to see that nothing is 'rigged'. Well, technically all slots and casino games are rigged, they've actually very transparent in telling you that over the long term, you will lose money playing them.

They have an MGA licence and are also overseen by the UK Gambling Commission. They also own a number of different online casinos - https://www.progressplaycasinos.com/ Simply because of the timeframe they have taken, I would file a complaint with the following authorities - UKGC - https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/public-and-players/complaints MGA - https://www.mga.org.mt/support/online-gaming-support/ Hopefully, this gets things moving for you. The amount of time they're taking is far from acceptable. Plus, if this is a regular occurrence for players, it needs to be reported so others don't have to suffer the same painful experience. EDIT: The only time this would be 'acceptable' and in line with regulation is if they suspected you of money laundering for whatever reason. If this was the case, they will keep telling you that 'there aren't any updates' and not provide you with any information regarding why it's taking so long, at all. This is considered 'tipping off' and they actually legally have to abide by this. On your end, are all the deposit methods legitimate, your ID and documents verified already and everything is above board? If so, this should not be a concern for you.

In order to 'manipulate' a slot, meaning that streamers get a different version of a slot than a regular player, would involve the streamer, online casino, and slot provider working together to achieve this. The logistics of it would be pretty insane. I could go into detail how this simply would not be feasible, but trust me when I tell you no slots from reputable providers are manipulated for streamers. Well, yes? Do you think the majority of streamers would want to stream if they didn't generate some kind of revenue to make money and offset some of the cost of streaming? They're not exactly hiding this. That's because your exposure to gambling, even over 8 years, is nowhere close to what a steamer will put though. Sure, we see many, many big wins. But even taking the big wins into consideration, the majority of streamers are still down in terms of profit/loss over the long term. However people watching the stream don't notice this, all they're focused on is the big wins. Also, streamers get deposit bonus' that me and you are not eligible for. The legit streamers anyway. If you got the same deposit bonus' to increase your bankroll and play time, you would too hit more things like 'streamers do everyday'. Just take a good look around the forum and look at the literal thousands of hits from regular players that also hit massive wins. Of course, they tend to be on a lower stake as the average gambler can not afford to sink thousands into their sessions, but nonetheless the stake multipliers are very clearly there.

Yeah for sure! I know it stopped in 20 for a fraction of a second, but it honestly happens on a perfectly balanced wheel all of the time! Sometimes, I would think a result has come in, go to dolly the number on the layout (the little glass marker we use to highlight the result on the numbers), and the ball would have magically jumped to an entirely different number. I'd honestly be more suspicious of a wheel if things like this didn't happen from time-to-time.

Ex croupier here 👋 I know this looks kind of strange, but over the thousands and thousands of spins of the wheel I've made in my time, I would generally see something much weirder than this, at least once per shift. I know it seems to defy all the laws of physics, but once the momentum of the spinning inner wheel meets the force of the ball dropping into it from the opposite direction, all kinds of funky stuff happens, just like this.

The massive problem with regulation in the U.K, is that people with zero gambling experience and knowledge are making decisions and implementing regulations within an industry that they have little knowledge, and no first hand experience. This for example. Removing auto-spins is not something that will reduce the amount of problem gamblers. If anything, having auto-spins allows you to keep track of just how many spins you've put through the slot, instead of mindlessly clicking and not knowing just where you're at. Aside from it being super annoying, someone in a board meeting has just decided that it must contribute to problem gambling without likely ever playing a slot machine in their lives. -- The wider issue with regulations that don't actually provide any benefit and simply are a huge inconvenience and deterrent, is that it will just push players onto unregulated platforms, such as the shady crypto casinos instead, where they can enjoy things like bonus buys' and auto spins, but are then at risk of not being able to take advantage of responsible gambling features, such as self exclusions and deposit limits.

Can't wait for the next landbased stream! 😝

I think the main takeaway here, is to not play on a Crypto Casino with a Curacao licence. 🙄

Nice! I've never actually seen a wild line in Napoleon! I always forget how powerful it is until I get like 2 ships on a win-line and it spits out 50x for what looks like literally nothing.. 😅

Stake aren't licenced in the UK, and actually explicitly state in their terms of service that players from the U.K aren't permitted to gamble on their site. However, do players from the U.K use VPN's to access Stake? Of course. They fully well know and turn a blind eye to it. Along with players from other countries such as the U.S too. But that's another topic. But due to not 'actually' operating in the U.K and only having a Curaçao licence, no matter what any organisation in any country they are reported to, no one can really do shit about it. -- Stake are in fact in the process of applying for a U.K licence though, and have the intention of becoming a fully licensed operator in the U.K. This will mean at least on the UK version of their website, they will have to adhere to the same regulations that all other regulated UK casinos have to abide by, such as being a part of GamStop, having sufficient AML and KYC procedures, ensuring you comply with responsible gaming guidelines etc.. The UKGC and the MGA should categorically deny the application due to their previous predatory business practices. Period. They are also Watford FC's main sponsor. I don't see how they are allowed to advertise in a country that they are legally not yet permitted to operate.

This whole mini-series by Coffeezilla and SomeOrdinaryGamers covering the crypto streamers and influencers was amazing!

Erm, what? To change the volatility, the whole fundamentals of the game would have to be noticeably altered 🤔 I don't even know what this means. But if they're keeping the RTP correct, then this would only show that is isn't rigged. Right? With how many streamers play Crazy Time, and generally stream around the world in different time zones, it would be practically impossible to find a time when a streamer was not playing and a big win happened. Computer based? Again, what you mean isn't clear at all. There's a host spinning the wheel, and then inputting the result into a computer. The host is essentially the Random Number Generator, just like a croupier shuffling a deck of cards. Some of the game show's are controlled by a computer, but the outcome is still random, just like a slot machine. Or, does the tin foil hat extend to thinking slots are rigged too?

Strong emphasis on believe. Yes, we're saying that because its logic, and simple maths. It's your perspective that to you, it seems that way. Plus, because of your belief, confirmation bias comes into the equation. You load up slots back to back on demo mode, and play in the manner these guys do. You'll see a very similar result. I assure you. But even though they get multiple 'huge hits', they actually still lose in terms being profitable in the long run on their streams. People watching just notice the 'big wins' and don't really keep track of the win/loss ratio. This would indicate that there is indeed a house edge, if there is a house edge, then that means that they get the same RTP as everyone else. Roughly, yes. If you look at how many huge hits a person gets in the same time span breaking it down into hour vs hour you will find it's similar. You've also got to consider that RTP is relative over the games life span, over every single player that plays that game. The more you play it, the closer you'll eventually get to the theoretical RTP, but no player will ever get the exact stated RTP. Even though every player will eventually lose in the long run if played long enough, some will lose more than others. It's the exact opposite of naïve. However, you have no factual evidence or statistics to show that any streamer, crypto, or not, is getting a version of a game that has a different RTP to what a regular player would get. You just think that from your perspective, it seems excessive and something must be wrong. Come back to me with some data where you can show me the profit/loss and 'big win' frequency of a streamer that you allege is playing a manipulated RTP game vs an average player and I'll engage your point of view. Until then, everyone else's knowledge of how the industry is actually regulated, understands maths and statistics properly, and applies a little common sense and logic will always prevail. This, I wholeheartedly agree with, just not that any player or streamer is getting a modified RTP game. Some streamers give a false perspective on gambling to entice people into a potentially addictive and harmful habit. It's especially even more of a problem when it's not real money, as they're promoting the harmful product, and getting rich from it, without actually exposing themselves to any of the harmful aspect of financial loss.

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Even the Curacao casinos don't need to manipulate anything to make a substantial amount of money. Actually, especially so as their profit margins are much higher due to not having to invest in expensive licenses, and having high expenditure ensuring they're operating within the guidelines and regulations that a reputable casino would have to do. In general, your statement is false. Does the capability potentially exist to manipulate the RTP or functionality of a slot? Maybe. Do casino's do this? No. They don't have to. The slot is designed from the ground up with the inherit function of making profit over its lifetime and the majority of players losing when playing it. But the main takeaway here is, don't play at shady casinos and make sure they have an MGA licence, or equivalent in your country. 🙂 If you was to essentially be given an unlimited balance of fake money as these guys get, and play as frequently as these guys do, especially buying bonus', you will too come across hits like these just as frequently. Will you be in profit in the long-term, even with these kind of wins? No. Of course people who have been playing for years will never get hits like that, simply because their bankroll will not allow the same kind of exposure to allow them to do so. -- Now, I hate the crypto streamers as much as anyone else. They're bad for the whole casino and streaming industry in general. I'm very aware that they're parasites. But, the tin foil hat theories don't really help at all. To me, it just seems like a lot of people are angry that they aren't getting 'wins' like the streamers do. Even if streamers didn't exist, you still wouldn't be getting the hits that streamers do. So what would you be angry about then? That you've been playing at a casino for years and losing money? Well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but that's exactly how casinos are designed to operate. You're going to lose in the long run, and they're even transparent with you about this before you play there.

If you reach out to live support, they can sometimes provide you with a link to be able to view the video replay of the game round. It's helpful if you can go though your bet history and find the spin in question, and provide them with the bet ID. 🙂 -- Very nice win by the way! Hope you took it to cashoutland!