Stevej

Yes. Just for fun, I created a bot few months ago that's collecting stats of that game. Of course you'll get data from Tracksino etc as well. I've tracked now about 120k spins. Last weeks the trend in that game has been that 99% of the time it "pays nothing" and once/twice in a week they give 25x CT bonus, and maybe 20x Cash Hunt bonus. If you don't believe me, check it yourself. All the data is there. If you're lucky, enjoy, but like you said the odds for winning is almost zero. I also believe that they're avoiding giving winnings for big betting players. Never play it with high bets. You'll think you win big, you won't. Btw, I just checked and it just paid 25x CT bonus for this week few minutes ago... I quote somebody from another thread. "Evolution Gaming is the biggest scam of this century".

This whole Evolution thing is getting more and more ridicilous. This video is not from real gameplay. It’s fake - like the whole company.

It's all rigged, but it's nothing new. Don't waste your money on that provider's games.

This is the reason I stopped playing these games. All the games.

Yeah, I agree. And what you can see from my statistics - they don't lie - the most common topslot symbol is Crazy Time (except number 1 and 2) and it usually hits with some multiplier. That's the fact. Good for players, or is it? Somebody told here in the forums that the probability of getting CT with 50x multiplier is 1:10000000 (or something like that, sorry I don't remember the number), that's not true because the topslot result is emphasized to CT bonus. The probability is way higher. Good for players, or is it?

No, I don't think so. RTP for Crazy Time bonus is calculated when you keep on rolling that bonus like 1 billions rounds. They can't model how much players would win/bet in certain times. By the way, you can see the amount of players of Crazy Time here: https://evotracker.live/ It varies a lot from 1000 players to 9000 players depending of time, or if it's week/weekend.

Their RTP is definitely correct. No doubt about it. But I have to copy my answer from the another post. People often don't realise that rigging the game has many benefits. The reason is not that they would win anyway so no point for rigging. The real reasons are: 1) Making people to deposit and play more money 2) Making people more addictive in the game 3) Make people think that the bonus / big win must hit soon They could also multiply their winnings if they avoid certain situations like paying big wins when 9000 players actively playing the game. I'm not saying that they do this, but I'm just talking about the benefits of rigging - and it's not about tweaking the rtp.

Yes, I agree. I've made that mistake in the past. I played it too high stakes and lost lots of money. It's fun game, but super sad it's rigged. I believe all the games are rigged. I wanted to show these statistics that people would be really careful when playing these games. These machines work with rng's that are highly manipulated. For @Nobby 's question, I believe they are not doing anything illegal. Laws allow them to manipulate these games, or tweak them in their favor, if they will be at least some randomness.

Another interesting detail. This game emphasises topslots on certain results like crazy time, clearly. It makes it more addictive. That explains quite many hits in Crazy Time bonus with multis in short period of time. If you play this game - don't play number ten - they've dropped the odds for that. Topslot appearance: Number 5 1033 times without multiplier 3828 times with multiplier Number 10 751 times without multiplier 2878 times with multiplier Cash Hunt 1184 times without multiplier 4036 times with multiplier Coin Flip 1171 times without multiplier 3905 times with multiplier Pachinco 1326 times without multiplier 4742 times with multiplier Crazy time 1560 times without multiplier 5517 times with multiplier

I finally got some Crazy Time data and analyzed it. Few interesting details showed up. One of them is the topslot multipliers & wheel results. Data is from the last 47000 spins (about one month). Wheel results with top slot multiplier 25x or 50x Number 1 20 Apr 2021 0:52:35 - 25X, Winners : 803 20 Apr 2021 1:48:31 - 25X, Winners : 424 20 Apr 2021 5:17:38 - 25X, Winners : 348 20 Apr 2021 11:14:16 - 25X, Winners : 373 20 Apr 2021 18:18:13 - 50X, Winners : 652 21 Apr 2021 22:39:52 - 25X, Winners : 853 23 Apr 2021 14:46:54 - 50X, Winners : 469 24 Apr 2021 7:17:10 - 25X, Winners : 328 25 Apr 2021 0:57:0 - 25X, Winners : 1097 25 Apr 2021 20:17:9 - 25X, Winners : 1129 25 Apr 2021 20:57:31 - 25X, Winners : 725 26 Apr 2021 6:39:5 - 50X, Winners : 419 28 Apr 2021 3:49:56 - 25X, Winners : 546 28 Apr 2021 6:5:41 - 25X, Winners : 300 28 Apr 2021 8:44:26 - 25X, Winners : 488 28 Apr 2021 22:23:54 - 25X, Winners : 1210 28 Apr 2021 23:23:10 - 25X, Winners : 1223 1 May 2021 8:59:39 - 50X, Winners : 484 1 May 2021 13:44:8 - 25X, Winners : 507 2 May 2021 1:5:45 - 50X, Winners : 1213 3 May 2021 2:42:55 - 25X, Winners : 879 3 May 2021 4:42:40 - 25X, Winners : 567 3 May 2021 17:40:1 - 25X, Winners : 932 4 May 2021 3:0:20 - 50X, Winners : 586 5 May 2021 11:20:10 - 25X, Winners : 631 5 May 2021 17:51:55 - 25X, Winners : 810 5 May 2021 22:17:19 - 25X, Winners : 1613 6 May 2021 17:36:52 - 50X, Winners : 1526 7 May 2021 9:8:29 - 25X, Winners : 683 9 May 2021 23:55:31 - 50X, Winners : 1691 10 May 2021 8:32:34 - 25X, Winners : 570 10 May 2021 12:38:28 - 50X, Winners : 607 10 May 2021 15:10:36 - 25X, Winners : 935 11 May 2021 0:14:43 - 25X, Winners : 1373 11 May 2021 13:20:20 - 25X, Winners : 688 11 May 2021 15:10:29 - 25X, Winners : 1049 12 May 2021 1:22:43 - 25X, Winners : 1353 12 May 2021 5:46:16 - 25X, Winners : 708 13 May 2021 0:59:11 - 50X, Winners : 1824 13 May 2021 4:34:34 - 25X, Winners : 795 14 May 2021 15:43:17 - 25X, Winners : 1252 15 May 2021 6:3:23 - 25X, Winners : 466 15 May 2021 13:39:29 - 25X, Winners : 706 16 May 2021 12:48:58 - 25X, Winners : 605 17 May 2021 11:41:28 - 50X, Winners : 844 17 May 2021 20:17:30 - 50X, Winners : 1174 17 May 2021 21:20:39 - 25X, Winners : 1697 Number 2 20 Apr 2021 12:55:25 - 25X, Winners : 486 21 Apr 2021 0:37:33 - 25X, Winners : 1188 21 Apr 2021 15:47:52 - 50X, Winners : 896 24 Apr 2021 2:32:52 - 25X, Winners : 1449 24 Apr 2021 11:34:49 - 25X, Winners : 724 26 Apr 2021 2:55:6 - 50X, Winners : 1211 27 Apr 2021 21:51:35 - 25X, Winners : 1526 28 Apr 2021 2:32:51 - 50X, Winners : 1008 29 Apr 2021 3:20:30 - 25X, Winners : 547 29 Apr 2021 21:17:42 - 25X, Winners : 1254 30 Apr 2021 2:48:14 - 25X, Winners : 1450 1 May 2021 18:25:25 - 25X, Winners : 870 2 May 2021 18:50:54 - 25X, Winners : 965 3 May 2021 4:11:4 - 50X, Winners : 678 7 May 2021 17:22:51 - 25X, Winners : 1349 8 May 2021 12:20:53 - 25X, Winners : 749 9 May 2021 5:8:34 - 25X, Winners : 1223 9 May 2021 9:38:31 - 25X, Winners : 857 9 May 2021 18:7:36 - 25X, Winners : 1009 10 May 2021 17:22:2 - 25X, Winners : 1478 10 May 2021 19:28:16 - 25X, Winners : 1575 11 May 2021 10:47:38 - 50X, Winners : 893 11 May 2021 13:22:38 - 50X, Winners : 895 12 May 2021 3:29:41 - 50X, Winners : 1474 13 May 2021 4:55:57 - 25X, Winners : 1749 14 May 2021 14:33:16 - 25X, Winners : 1326 15 May 2021 5:18:32 - 50X, Winners : 783 15 May 2021 23:36:5 - 25X, Winners : 2254 16 May 2021 18:59:12 - 25X, Winners : 1646 17 May 2021 13:30:42 - 50X, Winners : 1167 Number 5 23 Apr 2021 12:19:45 - 25X, Winners : 535 25 Apr 2021 7:49:12 - 25X, Winners : 480 5 May 2021 20:50:33 - 25X, Winners : 1827 13 May 2021 21:7:41 - 25X, Winners : 1386 Number 10 28 Apr 2021 10:18:23 - 25X, Winners : 736 Cash Hunt 6 May 2021 0:9:13 - 50X, Winners : 6132 7 May 2021 23:46:0 - 25X, Winners : 3417 12 May 2021 5:47:53 - 50X, Winners : 1804 16 May 2021 18:47:39 - 50X, Winners : 3342 Pachinco 22 Apr 2021 6:45:53 - 25X, Winners : 1066 9 May 2021 20:45:17 - 25X, Winners : 2707 Coin Flip 8 May 2021 16:55:36 - 50X, Winners : 2702 16 May 2021 0:18:49 - 50X, Winners : 4083 16 May 2021 20:12:28 - 25X, Winners : 2367 Crazy Time 25 Apr 2021 11:50:48 - 25X, Winners : 1017 9 May 2021 5:31:32 - 50X, Winners : 2897 9 May 2021 8:29:11 - 25X, Winners : 2275

Hi! Does anyone know if there's a complete history of all the Crazy Time spins? Not one week, two weeks or one month - I mean all the spins. The game has been spinning almost one year now. It would be super interesting to analyze.

Yes, that is true. I might try to dig that information from somewhere at some point.

Yes, exactly, that is what my empirical experiment was about. Just to clarify, my empirical test tells that it's 1/54 chance in a long run, but the probability varies constantly. Let's say I run this test ten times, so it's 1000 million spins, and I never get maximum number higher than 52. What if that number is like 100 or 150, so much higher on a real life casino game? That specific number represents the times when CT bonuses distance is over 300 spins from the previous one in a one year period of time. Do you think that by doing that empirical test gives not close enough result to the real life casino game? In your opinion what would be the most precise way to calculate the scenario I pointed out? I'm not asking this to argue that you're wrong. I'm really curious to know how you would solve this.

Don't get hurted by my comment. I don't mean this bad, but I think you don't understand and trying to take this into another direction. Of course the average amount appearance of CT is absolutely correct. I'm not interested that at all. They will make sure CT will appear right amounts in longer periods of time (it is 1/54 = 1.85%) and you can see those stats already on tracksino for example. It's 1.85% already in 3 months of time. That's fine. I'm counting the scenarious when there are huge caps between those bonuses (over 300 spins between the CT bonuses): read how volatile the appearance of crazy time bonus is. My calculations show that it's more volatile than it should be. Why do they make it more volatile? Because it's more profitable, more addictive, people will do more deposits, they stay in the game waiting for that bonus. Then later on of course it will appear then i.e. 5 times in a shorter period of time to keep the 1.85% correct in a long run. My math is based on that fact that you have 54 numbers (54 places in the wheel) and if you keep rolling it every day all the time, you get certain volatiliness of the numbers. If it's an analog wheel and you don't aim to hit certain areas (read: don't rig it), it's the same as I got in 100 million spins.

So far about 400k spins. They run 40-42k spins per month. I see these stats. Crazy Time was released June 10th 2020 so been running 10,5 months. So average in my calculations for 10 months would be LESS than 33.3. Got it?

I made one more simulation. I ran 100 million spins of Crazy Time. If anyone interested in the code, let me know. 100 millions spins means 200 years of Crazy Time spins. 42000 spins per month * 12 is about 500k spins per year. How many times in one year happens a scenario that two CT bonuses "distance" gets over 300 spins (ct hits, then it's at least 300 spins before the next ct bonus hits): Based on 100 million spins (200 years) average is: 33.3 maximum: 50 (it means that some year that scenario happens 50 times) minimun: 18 (some year that scenario happens only 18 times) Question is how many times this scenario has happened already this 10 months of Crazy Time gameplay (not even one year yet)? I see it constantly happening. 10 times per month would mean already 100 times so far.

@dirtystack With small sample sizes? Lol! Well it’s better than your 4 screenshots of 400 spins of crazy time that you’re reading wrong. I have no idea how you calculate your results in that app, but from your screenshots there are 180 spins between ct’s in those pictures. In one screenshot there are only HUNDRED spins. So that means all of your results you sent are wrong. You read it wrong, again. You praised your IQ earlier, but you can’t count to one hundred? And as you said, we want better spread of results, I made this app that runs EXACTLY the same thing that you can maybe read correctly. Run this 10 times and you get 4 millions spins. Run it hundred times you get 40 millions spins. That’s enough for every slot. https://jsfiddle.net/hocw4x16/

Yep. The scam continues running 24/7. At least I won't put my money on there anymore.

@dirtystack Okey nice. Put some lottery on... I actually ran few rng’s today. Crazy Time has been spinning about 400k spins so far like someone mentioned. Over 300 spins between CTs happen approximately 30 times in those spins. There usually one-two over 400, and might get one over 500 but it’s really rare. Over 500 doesn’t happen every year. Try it here. Click run on the upper left corner. Console on the right bottom corner shows the spin counts that go over 300 (you have to open the console to see the results). It's set for 400k wheel spins. So with one click you simulate 400k spins (10-11months of the game play). https://jsfiddle.net/hocw4x16/ Currently I'm watching the streamer playing on Crazy Time. It has again 244 spins between ct bonuses. Let's see where it goes. I don't still think it's an analog wheel.

Think about Putin's palace. Many many years they built a fucking massive palace somewhere and it was kept quiet from the rest of the world until one guy revealed it. How is it possible? I've said this before but I think they're not doing anything illegal, but the game is rigged in terms that the wheel is not working as people expects. It's not freely spinning wheel. Gambling laws allow to create these kind of games. If they could prove that I'm wrong, that would be fine as well, and I might consider playing these games again. But I'm sure they won't. Until that I can simulate i.e. millions of spins with a little javascript code like this one I made http://crazyrng.infinityfreeapp.com/ and trust these results.

Again this @dirtystack idiot joining here to spam without any real clever comments. I think it's quite interesting topic, and most of us are probably the A-class customers for casinos. I'd like to hear some comments from @Evolution Gaming Official. They haven't commented anything here. Could they tell more details about these wheel games, how they work etc? When is the open doors -day in Latvian studio?

People often don't realise that rigging the game has many benefits. The reason is not that they would win anyway so no sense for rigging. The real reasons are: 1) Making people to deposit and play more money 2) Making people more addictive in the game 3) Make people think that the bonus / big win must hit soon They can also multiply their winnings if they avoid certain situations like paying big wins when 9000 players actively playing the game. But of course they are not stupid and give bigger hits now and then when there's more people around. It's not analog wheel they can control the winning ratio/rtp's if they decide.

I'm writing this topic mostly for myself to avoid these games. It would be nice to hear your thoughts as well. I love stats. You can find the stats of Evolution's wheel games at https://CasinoScores.com However it doesn't show all the stats and doesn't really tell everything. Like yesterday there was 57 spins without a bonus in Crazy Time. Chance of hitting a bonus in this game is 1/6. So calculating the odds of not getting bonus on 57 spins is 5/6^57 = 1/32572. In this game I see 40-50 spins without a bonus all the time. In my opinion they do this to maximize to collect the money to the house. They've changed to be more volatile as it would in real life. In other words, it's controlled. I made a little rng simulator to demonstrate visually how difficult that scenario is. Refreshing page simulates new 100 spins (10 per colums, 10 per rows). The website only simulates the results in "the analog wheel". Of course digital rng is different than a real wheel, but theoretically it shouldn't be that different. http://crazyrng.infinityfreeapp.com I like the concept of the game but it's not fair for the players. Same things happens in all of their wheel games. @Evolution Gaming Official Could they finally reveal everybody how it really works?

Now it is a right moment to pull the break and quit this forever.

That is quite good safe answer and I’ve heard that million times. There’s always somebody in the conversation who’ve ”worked in this industry.” But I believe you that you’ve worked in this business. Hopefully it opened your eyes.